The Dordick Family

Taylor Dordick (00:00:00):
You guys, my dad's so lucky to have you.

Michelle Dordick (00:00:02):
If I had a dollar every time Dylan or Taylor said, "Well, at Bob's office, they do it this way," okay? I'd retire.

Taylor Dordick (00:00:08):
Oh, when he got in trouble for not doing the settlement expense sheet, he said, "Well, because at Bob's it's a much better system."

Bob Simon (00:00:18):
It's all automated. It's just there.

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Welcome to this episode of Bourbon of Proof, where we share a lot of spirits with those who have been successful in law and life. And today we're absolutely honored to have the Dordick legacy, the Dordick family on today, no longer living in the shadow of their father. First of all, raise your hand in this room if you've had a billion dollar verdict. Oh, shit.

Taylor Dordick (00:01:05):
Put your hand down.

Dylan Dordick (00:01:06):
Not against.

Bob Simon (00:01:07):
Not against, not a judgment. Not a judgment. So I'm going to break this off with, this is the New Riff and you guys are the New Riff that's coming out. So this is a new hot distillery in Louisville. This is the straight rye. This is another one, bottle and bond. So Mauro, could you do the honors?

Mauro Fiore (00:01:27):
Bob, this is a little unfamiliar, but I'm sitting in your chair on this episode. Usually this is-

Bob Simon (00:01:32):
Well, Mauro, you have literally known the Dordicks for, how old?

Mauro Fiore (00:01:36):
They were kids, probably Dylan was probably eight or something. I remember I went to their house when they lived in Topanga. Dylan had the craziest mural in his bedroom, like a guy surfing. Remember? Right, Dylan?

Dylan Dordick (00:01:45):
Sure.

Mauro Fiore (00:01:45):
Remember that? That was like, how old were you then? Eight, nine?

Dylan Dordick (00:01:48):
Mauro needs to have a drink before the hand steadies enough.

Mauro Fiore (00:01:51):
Yeah, so I've known them that long. Michelle is obviously with child, so she'll not be able to drink. You can stare at it.

Michelle Dordick (00:01:59):
I can smell it.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:00):
Yeah. Boberino.

Dylan Dordick (00:02:04):
Thank you, sir.

Bob Simon (00:02:08):
So this is... We'll do initial cheers to the New Riff, the Dordick legacy and the progeny that Michelle will be carrying. The first Dordick grandchild, right?

Dylan Dordick (00:02:19):
Baby Berkowitz.

Bob Simon (00:02:20):
No. We'll talk about Dylan's time in Vietnam very shortly. This is fantastic.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:31):
Fantastic.

Dylan Dordick (00:02:33):
Especially for a young whiskey. It's beautiful.

Bob Simon (00:02:35):
And why do you call this a young whiskey?

Dylan Dordick (00:02:36):
What, four years? Probably.

Bob Simon (00:02:37):
Probably.

Dylan Dordick (00:02:38):
Maybe five. Five at most.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:39):
Let's see. Is it no stated age?

Dylan Dordick (00:02:41):
It's got to distill at least-

Mauro Fiore (00:02:43):
At least four years, it says.

Dylan Dordick (00:02:44):
2018. I think the neck tag says.

Bob Simon (00:02:46):
You can leave it up there. This is good. All right, so we're going to kick this off with, first of all, there's five.

Michelle Dordick (00:02:54):
There's five.

Bob Simon (00:02:55):
And what's the pecking order? Tell everybody what the pecking order is. Age wise, not...

Taylor Dordick (00:03:00):
Oh, you had to clarify. I was going to start with myself.

Michelle Dordick (00:03:03):
I'm the oldest, and then Dylan.

Taylor Dordick (00:03:07):
And then me and then Waverly and then Kyle.

Bob Simon (00:03:10):
So the two babies are not yet lawyers.

Taylor Dordick (00:03:13):
But we're all more or less two years apart. So pretty close.

Bob Simon (00:03:16):
Wow. So I think the biggest thing is we always worry. We're lawyers, we were having kids. Our parents weren't lawyers. You guys have probably the most famous trial lawyer dad ever. And your mom's going to be a lawyer soon, right? I mean she just passed or out of law school.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:36):
Graduated from law school.

Bob Simon (00:03:37):
Which is an amazing story, we'll have your mom and dad on. But what is it like growing up and then now being in the profession? Why did you decide to do it as well? I mean, Michelle, we'll start with you because you didn't start at the Dordick law group. You had a different path, but how did you get there?

Michelle Dordick (00:03:56):
So unlike the rest of the lawyers in my family, I didn't want to go to law school. I just grew up in a house where everything was, be careful of this. Don't stand too close to the sidewalk, a bus can hit you.

Bob Simon (00:04:11):
I do this every day to my kids.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:12):
That's how I am with my kids.

Michelle Dordick (00:04:12):
Yeah, don't drive to Vegas because that center divider's super dangerous, everyone dies. There are all these reasons to die. So it just seemed really depressing.

Bob Simon (00:04:24):
I actually asked your dad one time and I was like, "How'd you get such good kids? Everybody's great, they all stayed safe." He's like, "I used to show them trial exhibits of people maimed." Said, "Holy shit."

Michelle Dordick (00:04:33):
Scared the shit out of us.

Bob Simon (00:04:34):
He really did that?

Michelle Dordick (00:04:35):
Yeah.

Dylan Dordick (00:04:36):
Let's just put it this way. When you have a blow up of 10 feet, you could choose to put it facing the wall or you could choose to put it in your living room facing us.

Bob Simon (00:04:46):
Wow.

Michelle Dordick (00:04:46):
Yeah. I mean everything was a cautionary tale. So I mean I was like, "Well, that doesn't sound like something I want to do forever." And then the other side of it too is our parents very slyly also manipulated me I think into going. They were like, "Sure, do whatever you want. You don't have to go to law school." And then I'd come home, like...

Taylor Dordick (00:05:13):
But we'll cut you off.

Michelle Dordick (00:05:14):
Yeah, like, "I think I want to be an interior designer." And he's like, "There's no money in that. That's such a hard field to get into. It's so saturated." And anytime I came home with some other idea, he'd tell me why it was a terrible idea. So I was like, "Fine, whatever. I'll just try law school, see if I like it." And then... Oh, no. I was like, "I'll take the LSAT."

Mauro Fiore (00:05:32):
Because you were a dance major.

Taylor Dordick (00:05:35):
I was a dance major. And then I-

Mauro Fiore (00:05:36):
And I know this because your mom used to get money out of me and I'd donate to your dance team and I have a T-shirt still with your name on the back in my house someplace that has your name and all the other girls from the dance team that I donated, like a thousand bucks.

Taylor Dordick (00:05:53):
They weren't expecting you to have kids. And now [inaudible 00:05:55].

Michelle Dordick (00:05:55):
The most expensive T-shirt you own.

Bob Simon (00:05:55):
I was wondering why he was wearing this T-shirt, two sizes too small with a bunch of girls names on it.

Taylor Dordick (00:05:59):
That wasn't why.

Mauro Fiore (00:06:01):
No, it was good. And Nava still says to this day, "You were the only one who ever donated to the dance team." I was like, "Man, I was the only idiot." But I used to donate to the dance team.

Michelle Dordick (00:06:08):
She's just trying to make you feel better.

Dylan Dordick (00:06:10):
It's funny, we all kind of came into the profession in a ways that our personalities dictate beautifully and the story goes, or at least the way that my dad's told it and sort of become the truth, the more you tell it. Right? The truth is just what everybody agrees is the truth.

Mauro Fiore (00:06:27):
Lies are only wishes.

Dylan Dordick (00:06:28):
Yeah. He says that early on, he tried to force me to do karate. My dad's black belt, right? Three different types. And he would send us all to karate. He really wanted us to get into it. And the more he wanted us to do it, the more we didn't want to do it.

Bob Simon (00:06:41):
Did any of you do martial arts?

Michelle Dordick (00:06:44):
Kyle.

Taylor Dordick (00:06:44):
I'm the wrong one to look at, for sure.

Dylan Dordick (00:06:46):
Briefly. I ended up taking boxing later on when some kid in high school wanted to beat my ass. My dad said, "Nobody's kicking your ass but me." Right? So he learned as we got older that if you try to force your kids into something, they're going to rebel and push against it. And so as I got older, I wanted to be a professional brewer. I was making beer in the basement in high school because apparently you only got to be 16.

Bob Simon (00:07:08):
And that's why, so Dylan's going to play the, this is the last whiskey that Mauro and I are going to gift you guys today. You're it today, brother.

Dylan Dordick (00:07:15):
My show?

Bob Simon (00:07:16):
Potter's dry, fill it up.

Mauro Fiore (00:07:17):
I know I got my son Max into donuts, but he didn't fight me on it. He really took to family tradition. He jumped in with both feet.

Dylan Dordick (00:07:28):
Good to know.

Bob Simon (00:07:29):
So who went to law school first?

Taylor Dordick (00:07:31):
They went together.

Michelle Dordick (00:07:32):
We did.

Taylor Dordick (00:07:34):
They've been in the same exact school together...

Michelle Dordick (00:07:37):
Since sixth grade.

Taylor Dordick (00:07:38):
Since sixth grade. They went to the same college together. And then law school was the first-

Bob Simon (00:07:42):
You went to Santa Barbara too, right?

Taylor Dordick (00:07:43):
School they separated.

Bob Simon (00:07:43):
Wow.

Mauro Fiore (00:07:44):
It's like me and my twin brother.

Bob Simon (00:07:47):
Wait, so you guys, what was your major? And Michelle, what was your major in college?

Michelle Dordick (00:07:51):
It was dance and then it was psych. Psychology.

Bob Simon (00:07:54):
Psych comes in very handy actually, in trials. And you were a brewer?

Dylan Dordick (00:08:01):
Yeah, major, not so important. But yeah, I was making... If I do something, I got to do it. There's no half, right to full. And so I wanted to make beer, making it at home. You don't have to be 21 to buy the ingredients just to use them, right? Okay, I got you. And so I was working night shifts at a brewery in Santa Barbara for two years. And then when I graduated, you got to make a choice. I applied to a bunch of breweries. Nobody wanted to hire me. And I was like, "All right, I guess it's law school." I take the LSAT, I do well. And right after I pass, I get a call from one of the breweries saying, "All right, we'll hire you." I was like, a little late at that point.

Bob Simon (00:08:42):
Wow.

Dylan Dordick (00:08:42):
So then I jumped all in, full in.

Bob Simon (00:08:46):
And then two years later you started, Taylor?

Taylor Dordick (00:08:48):
Yeah. I think I was the only one who came out of the womb like, "I'm a lawyer." I knew from day one I wanted to be a lawyer. My mom was like, "It's so bizarre. You came out of the womb, not crying, just pure evil, bossing everyone around." Sassy stink face since day one, telling everyone what to do. Not listening to anyone, arguing with my dad, arguing with anyone who would argue with me my entire life. I don't know how much has changed.

Mauro Fiore (00:09:14):
Yeah, I mean having known you guys since you were all kids, you definitely have the more aggressive personality. I mean, to say the least.

Taylor Dordick (00:09:22):
That's a nice way to put it.

Mauro Fiore (00:09:23):
The nice way to put it. Yeah, you definitely have the [inaudible 00:09:25] personality.

Taylor Dordick (00:09:25):
Yeah, my dad's always like, "You're going to be a bad lawyer because you don't know how to listen." And I'm like, "You don't know how to listen. So you're a bad lawyer."

Dylan Dordick (00:09:33):
They were screaming at each other during their last trial.

Bob Simon (00:09:35):
Really?

Dylan Dordick (00:09:35):
I'm telling Taylor, "Just say yes," and then whispering, "And do it differently, but at least tell the guy yeah."

Taylor Dordick (00:09:42):
No, we were preparing for one of the... He's let me cross one of the experts. And so I ran an outline by him and he is just losing his mind about it.

Bob Simon (00:09:51):
So what's that like, Taylor, because you just recently finished a trial with your dad, to try a case with your dad? I've tried a case with your dad. Your dad does things his way and his way only.

Taylor Dordick (00:10:02):
Oh, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:10:03):
It's difficult. I mean can only imagine and I'm not related to your dad.

Taylor Dordick (00:10:07):
Every weekend when I would go over there and work on the case with him, I stormed out saying, "This is my second and last trial with you. This is my first and last trial with you," and leave the house. So who knows how many more there are to come with him. He definitely, he's difficult to work with. It's not just, oh, he's hard on his kids. He's really, he's hard on people he works with. He expects the best. He does the best and he wants that product and it's tough. But when I was sitting next to him in trial and watching him in action, I really, really felt like I was in a movie scene. I'm looking around, are people seeing what I'm seeing? Is everyone experiencing that? It was straight out of My Cousin Vinny. I was in shock. Every day, I was like, I'm living in an alternate universe watching his cross exams. Not only because he is my dad, I genuinely felt like everyone in here has to be like, "This is fucking insane." I'm like, there's no way the judge can keep a straight face. He really, really blows my mind.

Bob Simon (00:11:02):
But do you feel that pressure, I mean? Because I not only tried cases with your dad, I've watched them. And for whenever you have that, it is hard to emulate that type of talent. Do you guys ever feel, Michelle, you've done trials with your dad, you work at the firm. Do you ever feel like I'm never going to be able to live up to where this is? And how do you deal with it?

Michelle Dordick (00:11:22):
Yes, especially the cross exams. I don't know why they get me every time.

Taylor Dordick (00:11:26):
Mostly because Dylan reminds us that every day.

Michelle Dordick (00:11:28):
Yeah. And because Dylan does sound exactly like him and acts like him and says the same things as him. So I'm like, "What the hell? I'm never going to be that." But I do feel like he respects everyone's, what's the word? Everyone's own style and does kind of let you have your own style and encourages that. And also going to all these trialer talks and hearing everyone else the way they do it, you can see that there are so many different ways to be successful at it and so many different styles that still work. And I'm not good at pretending to be somebody else. So I try to take the things that he does that I can copy and all the tips that he does say and try to make it my own. And he's usually okay with it.

Bob Simon (00:12:20):
So over the years, obviously it's been huge verdicts and results, which means huge financial compensation. Your families work on a contingency fee, so we know there's been a lot of wealth that's been accumulated. I mean, Dylan, how do you stay hungry? I mean honestly, you could have done nothing. Had your dad, you guys are probably set for life if you wanted to be, but how do you guys stay hungry growing up in Beverly Hills?

Dylan Dordick (00:12:45):
It's funny you say that. I never understood my childhood more than when my job was contingency based. Like one day we're getting a new car, moving to a new house. The next we're selling a couple cars and moving a new house, bigger house. It's just the ebbs and flows. But it's interesting, Bernie Arnault or whatever, the owner of Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, one of the wealthiest men in the world, had five kids. And he from an early age would teach his kids math and would drill them and all these things and put them working underneath his closest advisors and confidants knowing that one day they would have to be in charge of the world's largest company. And if they weren't prepared, then his legacy would be sold off into pieces like a couple of his friends did. And I don't want to say that my dad had that level of calculatedness, but there was some level of understanding that he had to make sure we had that hunger, had to make sure we had those skills that we needed.

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So if we did make that choice one day, we would be prepared. And speaking of pressure, the pressure to live up to him is something that's so unrealistic. I don't think many of us actually feel it because it's just not, that's never going to happen. We can be great, but it's not going to be, we can't be him. And the pressure that he's put on us that really, it's universal. And I think all of us feel it, is that your clients are dependent on you and they've got nobody else. And all it takes is losing one trial or getting a case tossed on summary judgment before the reality of that pressure sets in. I mean the first case I tried at your office, Bob, didn't go so hot. But it's not a great case-

Bob Simon (00:14:25):
You did well.

Dylan Dordick (00:14:26):
For my first trial, but the client didn't have a car. And so I had to drive him home after the verdict came back and sitting in the car with him driving him home, that pressure is not something you'll ever forget. And so I think he knew that the pressure couldn't come from being him and had to come from the gravity of the work that we do.

Bob Simon (00:14:44):
And Taylor, we'll ask you the same question. Wow, that might, you guys are drinking too.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:49):
Actually, you know what, before we segue from this. Taylor, I don't mean to put you on the spot or anything, but can you tell us the feelings that came over you when you tried that case with me?

Taylor Dordick (00:15:00):
It was watching greatness. I don't know, I left that out before. I felt like I was watching My Cousin Vinnie, Mauro.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:07):
I was thinking more like Clarence Darrow or something.

Taylor Dordick (00:15:10):
Whatever you want to be.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:12):
Well, I mean give us a little bit, I don't want to toot my own horn. Just give us a little bit.

Taylor Dordick (00:15:16):
I worked with my dad to help me. Mauro, so kind. Mauro let me do me do so much in that case, he let me do the opening, mini opening, direct. Everything he let me do, I worked with my dad on an outline and then I'd show it to Mauro to be like, "Do you approve of this?"

Mauro Fiore (00:15:32):
I figured I was getting Gary for free in the background.

Taylor Dordick (00:15:33):
Mauro stood up and stole my opening, stole my direct.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:41):
She was telling me, "Oh, this is what I'm doing." I say, "That's so good. Okay."

Taylor Dordick (00:15:41):
And then he did it in mini opening and then I was going to go up in my opening and he had just said it in mini opening. I was like, "God fucking damn it."

Mauro Fiore (00:15:48):
But that was, we actually-

Bob Simon (00:15:49):
You're a real dick.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:50):
We got a good verdict. We got a nice verdict. They offered shit on the case.

Taylor Dordick (00:15:54):
We did. That was a really good time.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:54):
They offered like $25,000 in the case. I think we got 350,000 or something.

Taylor Dordick (00:15:58):
I took the direct exam of my brother-in-law, once in a lifetime experience.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:01):
Yes, doctor.

Bob Simon (00:16:02):
Wow. So Michelle's husband is a doctor.

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We all went to the wedding in Italy, which was fucking awesome.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:09):
I forgot we had Dr. Berkowitz on that case. Yeah, I mean it was very simple case.

Bob Simon (00:16:12):
Mauro and I drove there and he fell asleep the entire, you were supposed to be my copilot for six hours. He slept in the fucking-

Mauro Fiore (00:16:17):
We drove there.

Bob Simon (00:16:18):
He fell asleep mid-espresso. He'd have one and fall asleep.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:21):
We drove there from Saint-Tropez to Florence.

Bob Simon (00:16:25):
Tuscany.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:26):
That's a long drive, man. You know what I mean? So I of course-

Michelle Dordick (00:16:28):
Who drove? Not you.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:30):
Bob was driving. He didn't want me to drive. I'm notorious for my driving.

Michelle Dordick (00:16:34):
Because you fall asleep?

Mauro Fiore (00:16:34):
Gary says that when he drives with me, he wants to put a bag over his head. Because he's a bad backseat driver and then I'm a bad driver. So he's like, grabbing the wheel every two seconds.

Michelle Dordick (00:16:46):
Yeah, don't feel bad. You're not alone.

Bob Simon (00:16:46):
So on that trip for your wedding, we had a couple French nannies and some people that were watching the kids while we went to the wedding. And Mauro, we went somewhere and we had a few drinks for lunch and we drove back and we got back and the nanny looked mortified. I was like, "What happened?" She's like, "It's Mauro, he fell asleep in the car." She did. I filmed it because I was laughing so hard. She's like, "He was just like..."

Michelle Dordick (00:17:09):
Oh my God.

Taylor Dordick (00:17:09):
Driving?

Mauro Fiore (00:17:13):
It's fine, I was fine. I woke up before I hit anything.

Bob Simon (00:17:19):
Man.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:20):
And then the best part, I had a captive audience because we couldn't figure out how to work the radio in this French rental car. And then we were in the middle of nowhere so the radio didn't work, but the only thing we could figure out to work was the Bluetooth. And none of these people, they're all Spotifyers so they don't have any music downloaded to their phone. But I had a whole bunch of my music on my phone, so Bob and my wife and his wife were forced to listen to my shit for hours.

Dylan Dordick (00:17:44):
With your driving?

Bob Simon (00:17:45):
Him falling asleep.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:46):
Bob was ready to kill himself.

Taylor Dordick (00:17:48):
And you're sleeping.

Bob Simon (00:17:48):
He literally, he plays suicide ballads. It's like, nineties.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:51):
He said, "This is the worst music." It's like emo. It's like Dashboard Confessional.

Taylor Dordick (00:17:54):
I've heard your ringtone, so yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:55):
You know what I mean? It's like I'm playing nineties emo shit and these guys are like, Bob was ready to kill himself. He's like, "I'd rather listen to nothing."

Bob Simon (00:18:02):
Actually. I usually do listen to nothing. Yeah. So I mean Taylor, what's it like? Can you ever live up to that who your dad is or you just redefine do something different?

Taylor Dordick (00:18:11):
Yeah, I think...

Bob Simon (00:18:14):
What is this, by the way?

Dylan Dordick (00:18:15):
This is a Grand Royal whiskey. In 2013 I managed to get into Myanmar to go visit Burma and everywhere you go you order a bottle and they bring it with ice and they bring it with soda water and I am by myself in this country. Nobody wanted to go with me. Right? It's dangerous.

Bob Simon (00:18:36):
It's dangerous.

Dylan Dordick (00:18:38):
So I was just sitting there all over the place drinking this whiskey and I brought a bunch back and it is fantastic.

Bob Simon (00:18:44):
It's Grand Royal Whiskey?

Dylan Dordick (00:18:45):
Yeah, it's made in Myanmar and back then Aung San Suu Kyi and her NLD party were pushing democracy and they were getting close. And so this is now a highly illegal product or at least one of the export bans.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:01):
Well, from someone who's like an early nineties, eighties guy like me. Grand Royal was the name of the Beastie Boys record label.

Dylan Dordick (00:19:06):
There you go.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:07):
Do you remember? Anyone remember that?

Dylan Dordick (00:19:08):
But smell that, it's got like a chalk. It's just like a light, beautiful whiskey.

Taylor Dordick (00:19:12):
I like the New Riff better.

Bob Simon (00:19:12):
New Riff is awesome.

Taylor Dordick (00:19:13):
It's a lot smoother.

Bob Simon (00:19:15):
You can pick your favorite at the end.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:16):
This is very smooth.

Dylan Dordick (00:19:17):
Really good, right?

Bob Simon (00:19:18):
So go back, we've got to answer-

Michelle Dordick (00:19:19):
This topic is riveting, but...

Taylor Dordick (00:19:21):
Back to me. I mean, to try to emulate him I think is the wrong move. My dad tells me all the time specifically that he wants me to watch other women and females and find my own style. I really did learn a lot trying a case with you. I love watching you. I love watching a ton of different attorneys and taking a little bit of something from everyone and creating my own thing. And I really think the bottom line is that my dad always says is, if you know your shit and you're the smartest one in the room, I mean, that's greatness. The work that you put in and knowing everything. So I try more to learn everything and know everything that I do to emulate the things that anyone else does per se, but...

Dylan Dordick (00:20:03):
He says you have to be the authority on truth and fact, in the courtroom. When you say it, it's truth and fact. Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:20:10):
I mean, it's one thing... I mean, you'd be able be the most prepared person period. Your dad posts videos, all the time working on the weekend, which I think more lawyers have to, they think it's sexy. I mean, you guys all trial all the time. Is it sexy?

Mauro Fiore (00:20:24):
No, no.

Taylor Dordick (00:20:25):
I'm shocked to think sometimes my dad whips out of his ass that he knows. "Well, Taylor, CCP," I'm like, "Don't act like you remember any CCP code off the top of your head." And he really does. I mean it's actually really wild. You just have to know your shit, that's what I've got to do.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:39):
It becomes second nature, once you do it enough.

Bob Simon (00:20:42):
And Michelle, for you to be married to an orthopedic surgeon, I mean do you feel so much better versed in orthopedic injuries because fighting for people that are catastrophically injured, or do you guys just table that at the dinner table?

Michelle Dordick (00:20:54):
I have a personal, no talk to my husband about work policy. He doesn't have the same policy, but it's because I've learned that when I come home with questions, he just gets frustrated at the stupidity of the question. So I usually just Google it or if it's a really good question then I bring it to him. But yeah.

Bob Simon (00:21:19):
I mean you get free orthopedic advice from your husband, right?

Mauro Fiore (00:21:22):
I call him all the time for questions.

Michelle Dordick (00:21:25):
Uncle Mauro calls him all the time.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:26):
Uncle Mauro does call and he does answer.

Michelle Dordick (00:21:28):
For free questions.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:29):
For now. He's answering the phone for now. I mean eventually maybe I'll get put on the ignored.

Michelle Dordick (00:21:35):
No, he always picks up.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:37):
Yeah, he does for me for sure. I appreciate it.

Michelle Dordick (00:21:38):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:21:39):
Well, we'll see. Once they have a new baby in town, you might fall down the totem pole, Mauro.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:47):
Possible.

Bob Simon (00:21:48):
I hope so.

Michelle Dordick (00:21:49):
We'll see.

Bob Simon (00:21:50):
I don't take Mauro's call.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:52):
Bob considers someone who calls him an intrusion into his privacy. You should never call Bob, ever. You text him and he will respond at his leisure. You know what I mean? But calling is out of bounds for Bob.

Michelle Dordick (00:22:07):
Well, calling is reserved for an emergency.

Bob Simon (00:22:10):
Thank you, God.

Michelle Dordick (00:22:10):
I need you right now.

Bob Simon (00:22:11):
See?

Mauro Fiore (00:22:12):
Because I'm a caller and so I still know Bob-

Bob Simon (00:22:15):
But you call when it's convenient for you.

Taylor Dordick (00:22:17):
Do you guys give clients your cell phone number?

Mauro Fiore (00:22:19):
I do.

Bob Simon (00:22:19):
Only the really, really important ones. I had to give the cell phone number to get the case.

Taylor Dordick (00:22:24):
And you give everyone your cell phone number?

Mauro Fiore (00:22:25):
It's on my business card and it's on my website and everything. It's in my email signature. Listen, that's how I'm making a living, man. You want to call me? Call me up.

Taylor Dordick (00:22:33):
I had a client with a lot of felonies and my boyfriend was upset he had my cell phone number. I was like, "He's not going to do any..." He was a registered sex offender 20 years ago.

Bob Simon (00:22:47):
20 years is a long time.

Taylor Dordick (00:22:50):
We're good.

Mauro Fiore (00:22:50):
Yeah. 20 years is a long time.

Dylan Dordick (00:22:50):
She doesn't look like a child at all.

Bob Simon (00:22:57):
So Dylan, what is this you just poured everybody here?

Dylan Dordick (00:23:00):
This is Cream of Kentucky, which is Jim Rutledge, the former master distiller at Four Roses, retired. And you know, trial lawyer, no such thing as retired, just recovering. And so he opened up another distillery and this is one of his ryes, which what I think is so interesting, right? What's the difference between Pappy and Weller?

Bob Simon (00:23:23):
Same mash, just the name, brand marketing.

Dylan Dordick (00:23:25):
The difference is Julian Van Winkle blessed the barrels and said these are, and his palate is what you're paying for. He has chosen these barrels as being special. And so similar to this, what's so special about Cream of Kentucky? Well, Jim Rutledge blessed the barrels and blended it like a wine maker, right? It's only as good as the blender, so.

Mauro Fiore (00:23:44):
I think I've been in that rick house where they aged the Pappy and the Weller for your bachelor party. I was there.

Dylan Dordick (00:23:53):
I got mostly pictures of all of us asleep. They start bourbon tours at eight o'clock in the morning for some reason. It's a great reason, [inaudible 00:24:00] twice.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:00):
And as a side note, I won $15,000 on a slot machine on that trip.

Dylan Dordick (00:24:04):
In a riverboat casino.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:06):
In a riverboat casino in Louisville.

Dylan Dordick (00:24:08):
And he looks at me and says, "We've got to get out of here."

Mauro Fiore (00:24:11):
I have the 15,000 in a paper bag. I said, "I'm going to get out of here before someone that [inaudible 00:24:16] or I end up in the river.

Bob Simon (00:24:18):
He always wins money. Weird.

Michelle Dordick (00:24:21):
Yeah, I feel like that's not the first time or the last time.

Bob Simon (00:24:22):
When I met him in Vegas, we first met him in Vegas at the CAALA Convention. He gave me his Phoenix fucking necklace, because I had a Phoenix tattoo, we were talking. He gave it to me. Then he goes out and plays the slots, won 25 grand.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:34):
Rise of the Phoenix and I put a hundred bucks in it, won $25,000. And Gary and Nava walked by it. I was like, they were handing me over stacks of cash. And he was like, "What the hell's going on?" I was like-

Taylor Dordick (00:24:43):
And my parents were leaving for the airport, Mauro hadn't gone to bed yet.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:47):
No, it was like 5:00 AM. That's when the machines are ripe to hit. 5:00, 6:00 AM.

Bob Simon (00:24:50):
We don't talk about how much you lost. We were in Monte Carlo last summer and he was up, he comes over, he was up really big within five minutes. Like, "Wow, Mauro, good for you. That's like, go get a steak and a drink." Lost it all within...

Mauro Fiore (00:25:03):
Well, I came there to gamble as they say.

Bob Simon (00:25:05):
Yeah, come on.

Mauro Fiore (00:25:06):
I came there to gamble. I didn't really, I liked Monte Carlo, I liked the whole scene. It was cool. We went to the Grand Prix, real bougie shit. But the casino, I didn't dig it. I like Vegas.

Bob Simon (00:25:17):
I agree.

Mauro Fiore (00:25:17):
I like Vegas.

Bob Simon (00:25:20):
But speaking of gambling, I mean you guys grew up in a gambling household, right? I mean, calculated gambling. Taylor, that's what it is. You guys grew up where your family had to win for you guys to eat.

Taylor Dordick (00:25:33):
It's ironic, because I-

Bob Simon (00:25:33):
What was the story? I want to hear stories growing up. Our audience wants to hear, what were the struggles?

Taylor Dordick (00:25:40):
My dad's an anti gambler, hates gambling.

Mauro Fiore (00:25:40):
He won't gamble his dollars.

Taylor Dordick (00:25:40):
Won't gamble nothing, not a penny. Doesn't believe in it.

Mauro Fiore (00:25:43):
I've told you that story. So Gary does not like to gamble at all. Like traditional gambling, like in Vegas or something. He won't gamble. I was playing video poker with him one time and he had to bet four coins to get the progressive jackpot. So $1, was four quarters. He's like, "Why would I bet four quarters when I can bet one quarter?" I said, "Well, what if he hit a royal flush and then you're not going to win the progressive?" "Oh, I ain't going to get a royal flush." As soon as it came out of his mouth, he hit the button, they dealt him a royal flush. As soon as it came out of his mouth.

(00:26:14):
But he had of course bet one fucking quarter and he got a thousand dollars instead of the 10,000. He was so happy that he won a thousand bucks, it's like if he won a million. I was depressed. I was ready to kill myself. I'm a degenerate gambler. I was like, "You bet four coins. Why would you even play?" But to him, the one quarter to win a thousand, he thought he would.

Bob Simon (00:26:34):
But what were the lows? I mean you guys were growing up in not a conventional gambling way, but essentially literally maybe mortgaging the house on winning cases. Did you guys ever feel that pain? Did you ever feel it as kids?

Taylor Dordick (00:26:50):
My parents were really good about whatever happened in our family that was between the parents, they're really good about letting all five of us be kids and not be too involved in that. But they did obviously want to teach us a lot about the value of money. And I think what got more hard when we first really noticed is when my dad first got sick and couldn't work at all anymore and had to start scaling back on work. And that's when we moved, we sold our sunset house, we moved into a condo, all of us went out to college. So that's when they probably the most downscaled and really brought it more to our attention to be better about things.

Bob Simon (00:27:39):
When you say sick, you mean your dad still has...

Taylor Dordick (00:27:39):
Yeah. When he was first diagnosed, we were in high school, I can't remember what grades we were all in, but most of us were going off to college. So Dylan and Michelle stayed local, but they still stayed at school. And I was also going out to school. So our parents were like, "Let's just sell the house. We have to stop working for the foreseeable future for now." Moved into a two bedroom condo while all of us stayed in dorms. And then we came home and stayed with my mom a bit and kind of all just shuffled around, just we didn't know how long he wouldn't be working for and he couldn't try any cases at all, so.

Dylan Dordick (00:28:15):
Well, that's not exactly true. There's one great story where he had an arbitration set and I can't remember the justice, but it was a retired Supreme Court justice I think. And he had an arbitration and he was going through chemo and he called and said, "Look, your honor, I'm really sorry, I'm going through chemo and I just, we can't go through with the arbitration." And the judge said, "That's no problem, but your $20,000 a day is non-refundable." And he said, "All right, I'll be there tomorrow." Arbitrated the case and won.

Mauro Fiore (00:28:43):
I think that was Armand Arabian.

Dylan Dordick (00:28:45):
Was it?

Bob Simon (00:28:45):
Really?

Mauro Fiore (00:28:46):
Yeah.

Dylan Dordick (00:28:46):
Yeah, he did it.

Mauro Fiore (00:28:47):
I remember that.

Dylan Dordick (00:28:48):
And the thing is, even to this day, nothing's always going to go right. It's just the way it is. And I guess I said life doesn't get easier, you just get more equipped to handle it, right?

(00:28:59):
But I'll see, I mean even recently, I'll see some pressures on that man that are unfathomable and I didn't even know it was bothering him. And whether he does that, I don't think he's doing it to insulate us. I have genuinely come to believe that this man just doesn't really, it doesn't phase him, right? He jokes, "How do you get a 42 and a half million dollars settlement? Well you say no to 40," right? And how do you do that? How do you do that? And it's just that he trusts in himself and that's why I hate the roll of the dice in gambling. No offense, I hate the thought that anybody compares it, because if it's gambling, then which side are you going to pick? You're going to pick my dad because there's a little more to it than just luck. I mean certainly it plays a part, right?

Bob Simon (00:29:50):
If you're gambling bet on the house of Dordick, right?

Dylan Dordick (00:29:51):
Yeah. Right?

Taylor Dordick (00:29:53):
I mean he's told us every day that he spent our entire inheritance and don't expect a penny. He really likes to live his life to the fullest. I mean that guy does everything. So I think there was also always a sense of he's still concerned that if, God forbid something happens to him tomorrow, people are sending our firm cases because they know my dad's trying them. They're not sending them to anyone else in his office. And he always tells us, "What are you going to do when I'm not working? Or God forbid, dead. You guys need to be incredible attorneys and bring in your own business and try your own cases." And I think through a lot of that experience of I don't know when the next tomorrow is, and obviously first of all, I think the biggest lesson of that was if we lose the entirety of every penny that's ever been made, as long as he's healthy, there's nothing else anyone could care about.

(00:30:42):
But the fact that you can't really rely on anyone else to make your own living in your own life.

Michelle Dordick (00:30:48):
And I think that that fear of hunger, whatever, fear of failure, but that you can't teach hunger attitude. Our parents obviously, I don't know who knows this or who doesn't, but they were raised with nothing and they're really self-starters and we don't necessarily, I can't say that I came from the same background. But his fears of failure, he definitely voiced over and over and I think that created almost a different kind of hunger. Because he says all the time, he says, "What would you do if I wasn't here? What are you going to do? You need to start making your own connections and bringing in your own cases." Because he's worried that we're going to have nothing and not succeed and then that creates a fear in us that that could... I mean he's right.

(00:31:50):
And I think growing up it's always been like, "You need to think about how you're going to live your life and what you're going to do to be successful because this is not yours. This is mine and you need to do this on your own." And I think that's kind of created this hunger in us.

Taylor Dordick (00:32:08):
They canceled Dylan's... They never really went easy on us. Dylan went to a dinner with some lawyers that he was going to pay for on the business card because my dad, "Get your own cases, put it on the work card, wine and dine," and they declined his American Express work card because Nava canceled it because he forgot to submit a reimbursement.

Bob Simon (00:32:30):
What would Big Bob do if I didn't submit my request?

Taylor Dordick (00:32:33):
She told me if my 699-

Bob Simon (00:32:35):
Big Bob, my dad would forward an email and say, "What the fuck is their problem?" And my dad's one finger typing.

Taylor Dordick (00:32:38):
Yeah, they don't mess around.

Michelle Dordick (00:32:40):
He would have canceled it a long time ago.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:41):
Does he still [inaudible 00:32:41] that little desk in the corner in Hermosa Beach?

Bob Simon (00:32:43):
Well now he does it from home now and he puts on headphones.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:45):
Remember when he had had that little desk and he'd be there typing away at his little...

Bob Simon (00:32:48):
He loves.

Dylan Dordick (00:32:49):
There's no fish in the office.

Bob Simon (00:32:52):
Oh, yeah. Somebody brought fish in the office and put in the microwave once, my dad near lost his mind.

Michelle Dordick (00:32:59):
I would love to have that rule.

Taylor Dordick (00:32:59):
He would walk around with whiskey at two o'clock. "Why is no one else drinking?"

Bob Simon (00:33:01):
Yeah, "What's going on in here? You guys take us too seriously." But then he takes it the most seriously over anybody.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:07):
It's not that hard.

Bob Simon (00:33:08):
By the way, potter's dry, bro. You are slacking, Dylan.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:11):
How about we...

(00:33:17):
All right, so here.

Michelle Dordick (00:33:18):
Bartender.

Taylor Dordick (00:33:18):
How about we what?

Dylan Dordick (00:33:20):
So this is Four Roses, 2020. They release two limited editions every year.

Michelle Dordick (00:33:25):
Driving Mauro home.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:27):
And when Jim Rutledge retired, a young man by the name of Brent Elliot took over the distillery and his background was essentially he was a scientist, right?

Bob Simon (00:33:34):
Scientist.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:35):
And this was sort of one of those times where it was a symbol of the change that bourbon went from, my grandfather taught me how to do it, to a guy with a chemistry background.

Mauro Fiore (00:33:45):
Did you know I was a scientist myself though?

Bob Simon (00:33:47):
Here we go.

Mauro Fiore (00:33:48):
They told me the doctor of love, a doctor of love.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:51):
You know, I'm a bit of a scientist myself.

Taylor Dordick (00:33:53):
I never heard that.

Bob Simon (00:33:54):
It's a Scientologist.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:57):
Oh, different word.

Taylor Dordick (00:33:59):
Doesn't ring a bell.

Dylan Dordick (00:33:59):
But this is a blend. Four Rose is interesting. They got two malt bills and five different E strains that they use. And each-

Bob Simon (00:34:07):
Dylan, could you just turn the bottle so we can get a look at these as you pour it.

Dylan Dordick (00:34:12):
They have two grain recipes and five different malts bills and five different yeast strains. And each yeast strain creates different flavor profiles. Giving them 10 different recipes that they barrel and then they pick from those 10 different recipes. This one's got a blend of a bunch of different ones in it.

Bob Simon (00:34:26):
Well, how do you know? Because you see a lot of these, Four Roses is everywhere and they got stuff that's like 40 bucks, they got stuff that's like two grand.

Mauro Fiore (00:34:32):
They have stuff that's like 25 or cheaper.

Bob Simon (00:34:34):
I know, that's what I'm saying. But how do you-

Mauro Fiore (00:34:37):
It's pretty good.

Dylan Dordick (00:34:37):
Really good.

Bob Simon (00:34:37):
It is. But how do you differentiate the different types of, because I'll take some it's like, this is shit. Sometimes this is the best stuff I ever had.

Taylor Dordick (00:34:42):
Sometimes you find out Dylan makes all this stuff up later.

Bob Simon (00:34:45):
Is this the small batch? What is it?

Dylan Dordick (00:34:46):
This is the limited edition small batch. They released a few thousand barrels. It's got some of the older whiskeys. 15, 18, 12. The way I look at it always is everything has DNA, something that... Your firm has a certain DNA in it. Ours does, Mauro's is...

Bob Simon (00:35:04):
Mauro has DNA everywhere over Los Angeles. But y'all ever take a blue light around Mauro's office?

Michelle Dordick (00:35:11):
Oh, God.

Bob Simon (00:35:13):
That's a bedbugs joke you guys.

Taylor Dordick (00:35:15):
I know, the light and the blow-dryer. I do it at every hotel now.

Dylan Dordick (00:35:21):
So you just got to find something you like, try a bunch of different whiskeys and brands and when you find something you like, you stick to it. Because usually everything's good.

Taylor Dordick (00:35:29):
It's a little pungent for me.

Bob Simon (00:35:29):
Yeah, this feels stronger.

Taylor Dordick (00:35:30):
The New Riff is definitely the simplest, smoothest.

Bob Simon (00:35:33):
I agree so far.

Taylor Dordick (00:35:34):
Least crazy kick.

Bob Simon (00:35:36):
Michelle, what do you think so far?

Michelle Dordick (00:35:37):
I think the New Riff is my favorite.

Bob Simon (00:35:41):
What does baby like? The New Riff?

Michelle Dordick (00:35:43):
Yeah, the new riff. Sorry, Dyl.

Dylan Dordick (00:35:47):
The baby knows nothing. I forgive you, for you know not what you've done.

Michelle Dordick (00:35:52):
I'm afraid I'm going to draw, I mean my plan is to just... My whole family, this is the first grandchild and everyone's like, "We can't wait," kind of. And I just can't wait for the rotation of me just dropping my kid off at everyone's house one by one and seeing what happens.

Taylor Dordick (00:36:10):
I think it might slow my down my dad down a bit. The first grandkid.

Bob Simon (00:36:15):
You know what?

Mauro Fiore (00:36:15):
He will be a very good grandfather.

Dylan Dordick (00:36:15):
For sure.

Michelle Dordick (00:36:16):
He's prepping. He keeps making comments.

Dylan Dordick (00:36:17):
This is one of the few occasions where I can say, "I'll take your baby," and it's not totally, totally inappropriate.

Michelle Dordick (00:36:24):
Oh, my God.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:24):
But Gary-

Michelle Dordick (00:36:25):
I think it still is.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:26):
He enjoys my kids a lot. I know Taylor and Michelle enjoyed my kids a lot. They're fun.

Taylor Dordick (00:36:30):
Your son was on my phone the other day and saw a photo of you. "Why is my dad sleeping on the chair?" We were at a club in San Diego.

Dylan Dordick (00:36:40):
He was just surprised it wasn't the floor, where he typically finds him.

Taylor Dordick (00:36:42):
I don't know how he caught that photo on my phone.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:44):
When was I sleeping in San Diego? You took a picture?

Taylor Dordick (00:36:47):
At the Red Rock.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:48):
Oh.

Bob Simon (00:36:48):
You're sleeping at the Red Rock?

Taylor Dordick (00:36:49):
On the couch while we were all drinking.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:52):
It sounds possible. I don't remember that.

Taylor Dordick (00:36:54):
At the long convention.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:56):
Sounds probable. Very probable.

Taylor Dordick (00:36:57):
I have photographic evidence.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:59):
Don't show Max those photos.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:00):
He picked it out a bunch of photos. "Is that my dad? Why is he sleeping?" It was amazing.

Bob Simon (00:37:09):
His son is five years old.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:09):
Four.

Bob Simon (00:37:09):
Four, fuck.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:11):
Oh my God it was amazing. Your daughter was looking for nude photos of my boyfriend.

Bob Simon (00:37:14):
I told Mauro he's got to start an OnlyFan's account. Just people watch him sleep.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:17):
And my daughter is in love with Taylor's boyfriend. She says Austin is her boyfriend.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:23):
I had to fight her.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:25):
She says, "Get away. He's my boyfriend." And she goes and gives him a hug.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:29):
Your kids saved your life, Mauro.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:31):
They did for sure. For sure.

Bob Simon (00:37:33):
Now the only time he drinks is on the show.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:35):
Yeah.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:35):
I find that hard to believe.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:38):
And on the weekend.

Michelle Dordick (00:37:39):
That's the official party line.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:40):
My boyfriend went to play poker at Mauro's house once and I was like, "Absolutely not."

Mauro Fiore (00:37:43):
He came.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:44):
"Get back in the car right now."

Mauro Fiore (00:37:46):
Didn't he come? I think he came.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:47):
I think he came one day.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:49):
Yeah, he did come.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:49):
It's traumatic. They still talk about that night.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:52):
Oh, no. He brought some Russians. Oh, no, wait. No, your husband brought some Russian gangster.

Taylor Dordick (00:37:57):
I was like, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:58):
Everyone was like, "Who's this Russian? Who's this Mafioso Russian dude?"

Michelle Dordick (00:38:01):
Igor.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:02):
Igor.

Bob Simon (00:38:03):
Oh, I met Igor.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:03):
He brought Igor. I was like-

Bob Simon (00:38:05):
At the wedding. He's a nice guy.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:06):
My friends are like, "Who's this Igor guy?"

Michelle Dordick (00:38:07):
He looks really scary. That's why we bring him around.

Bob Simon (00:38:10):
Yeah, we were in the pool hanging out. He's a nice guy.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:13):
Igor came to my house.

Michelle Dordick (00:38:17):
Yeah, I mean he's harmless, but-

Taylor Dordick (00:38:18):
I don't leave Mauro alone with anyone that I love.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:22):
I always say, send your boyfriend over to me for a weekend.

Taylor Dordick (00:38:26):
We would break up. We wouldn't last. Legal advice only for Mauro.

Bob Simon (00:38:32):
Walk us through, because you guys are in college. All of you in college at the time your dad is shelved, being sick. I remember, yeah. I was a baby lawyer when this was happening and I'll never forget this ad that came out and it was your dad coming back and it was a picture of him running out of the, it was a cartoon of him running out of the hospital carrying the IV bag with a gown on. And he said, "I'm back." And I remember looking at this in the fucking magazine. I was like, "This guy's fucking awesome." Because I didn't know your dad before that. And I was like, "This guy's cool." So I didn't know the resurgence. Or did he keep it secret? I know that he was trying a shit ton of huge cases.

Mauro Fiore (00:39:08):
No, he didn't really keep it a secret, but people were opportunistic. I won't name names, but other trial lawyers in town were like, "Don't send any cases to Dordick, he's dying," and like that.

Taylor Dordick (00:39:20):
But he still had our firm running-

Mauro Fiore (00:39:20):
And shit that I was ready to fucking fight over. Me and Gary are close and I always tell people, "Don't talk shit, man. The fucking guy's healthier than me."

Dylan Dordick (00:39:30):
Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated.

Mauro Fiore (00:39:33):
Son of a bitch looks better every time I see him. I always say that. He's like Benjamin Button, the son of a bitch. He looks fine.

Taylor Dordick (00:39:39):
He was still working during that time. He just scaled it back. But he never wanted to lay anyone off or tell his clients he couldn't do what he promised to do. So he worked through a lot of that. He just wasn't taking new cases.

Bob Simon (00:39:54):
But you guys went through this door to downsize. I mean you guys went to the, because I've been to the house in Sunset back in the day and then for a fundraiser before that went down and then... Beautiful home, it's probably where you guys grew up, a lot of your... And then go to a two bedroom condo during this time. What's that like? People always assume, they see the verdicts, they say this has just always been struggle free, path has been easy.

Dylan Dordick (00:40:20):
It's funny, I think I was 16, Taylor might've been 14 when we found out. But we joke, like my dad, he didn't grow up in Chicago. He moved here when he was maybe eight, something like that, six. But he always acts like that kid in Chicago. He always acts like he's never going to get another case. He always acts like he's going to be broke tomorrow, whether he is or not. So not a whole lot changes because his mentality is we got to keep these business connects happy. We got to keep our clients happy because it could all end that quick. And he's painfully aware. And so as different as it got, I think realistically it was the best thing that ever happened to us. Unquestionably. When my dad got sick, what tipped him off was he was losing a bunch of weight and he was working out and we all thought it was working out, but he was losing a lot of weight.

Bob Simon (00:41:04):
Well, now I know I'm not sick.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:06):
It was like overnight. I remember I didn't see him for a month, maybe. And he called me on a Saturday and this is very, if you know Gary, he doesn't ask anybody to do anything for him. That's how he is. But with me sometimes he's different. Gary called me on a Saturday. I hadn't seen him in a month. He says, "Hey, can you give me a ride over to Thunder Road? I got to pick up one of my choppers." I was like, "Sure." So I go over to the house on Sunset and he comes out and I was like, who's this guy? He lost like 50 pounds in two weeks. I was like, "Dude, what the hell's wrong with you?" And he says, "Oh, well doctors are taking blood tests, whatever, but they think maybe I have cancer."

(00:41:42):
I was like, "Whoa." I was like, "Well, what kind of cancer you have?" He says, "I'm not sure yet. But something with my blood." He was downplaying it or whatever, but it was like that. He went from looking like normal to in two weeks he was skinny as a rail. So you knew there was something wrong with him. I remember back in those days he had a blog, remember he had the blog that he would update how he was doing.

Dylan Dordick (00:42:07):
Oh, I remember that. Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:42:08):
Yeah, he had a blog where that way he didn't have to deal with people or talk to people, just his friends. He would say, "If you want to know what the hell's going on, I have a blog. You can read about it." That way no one would bother him. And I'd still bother him, but that's how I am. But you could read his blog and he would update it all the time. Remember that?

Dylan Dordick (00:42:26):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:42:27):
So you guys were mid-teens then. Who was the youngest? Was Kyle or Waverly, who's the youngest?

Taylor Dordick (00:42:33):
Youngest was Kyle.

Michelle Dordick (00:42:34):
But at the time, I mean kind of what Taylor said earlier, our parents were always really good about not being very alarming. If there was no reason to be super alarmed and just kind of really playing everything cool. And also around that, it happened in like '08. So we also had all the '08 stuff happening, economically.

Taylor Dordick (00:43:04):
Financial market, yeah.

Michelle Dordick (00:43:05):
Yeah. And when we downsized to a condo, we went to one of the most beautiful condos in LA and Dylan and I went away to school. Taylor was a year from going to school. So they kind of played it like, "Yeah, we're having a lot of these changes, but we're really taking precaution because we don't want to be in a bad situation." And it really didn't feel like scary or horrifying.

Taylor Dordick (00:43:39):
I mean they made sure the things that mattered were taken care of. We still had tuition. They wanted to make sure the things that are important in life, your education, a roof over your head, the things that were really important were there. And also letting us know, as long as you have the bare necessities, you don't need a car, there's nothing you need in life other than your health.

Michelle Dordick (00:43:59):
And growing up, it's not like they just gave us a credit card and were like, "Spend whatever you want." Growing up we always were on a, they always kept us...

Taylor Dordick (00:44:09):
I would drive home and I would see Waverly walking on the sidewalk. I'm like, "What are you doing?" And she's like, "Oh, I didn't have money to get gas so I had to leave my car. And I'm walking home." I'm like, "Why don't you tell our parents you need money for gas?" And she's like, "My mom won't give me any more this month." So I'd pick her up and I'm like... I got yelled at the other day. I didn't realize I had my 6.99 Spotify charge on the American Express for the business. Nava's like, "If you don't cancel, I told you to cancel that months ago. If I see it again, you're not going to have a work card anymore."

Dylan Dordick (00:44:41):
She means business.

Taylor Dordick (00:44:44):
And then when they canceled Dylan's, I was like, shit. I'm like calling.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:49):
I got to introduce some of those. I go through, at my office, I don't know, a dozen people have Amex cards and I go through it sometimes like, "Oh, son of a bitch."

Taylor Dordick (00:44:58):
They monitor every...

Michelle Dordick (00:44:59):
Oh, no. Every dime.

Taylor Dordick (00:45:01):
I mean, people get in trouble for spending too much money on Westlaw, we're not allowed to expedite any transcripts without approval.

Michelle Dordick (00:45:09):
DocuSign. I got an earful about DocuSign the other day.

Taylor Dordick (00:45:12):
Yeah, "You know it's a dollar every time you send the DocuSign out?" We're like, "Correct. And we need the..."

Bob Simon (00:45:18):
Yeah, it's a dollar saving two hours of work.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:20):
Well, I spent a dollar, but they signed a release for 4 million, so I think it was worth it.

Michelle Dordick (00:45:23):
My mom wanted to know why we don't send... I can't remember what it was, but to the client with a return envelope.

Taylor Dordick (00:45:30):
Oh, instead of the DocuSign.

Michelle Dordick (00:45:31):
Instead of DocuSign.

Taylor Dordick (00:45:32):
If you don't need it tomorrow, then you mail it.

Bob Simon (00:45:35):
Wow.

Taylor Dordick (00:45:35):
Yeah. They were like that...

Michelle Dordick (00:45:38):
Always, growing up. Always. We didn't just have free rein. And also growing up, we were around when the firm started to take off. We were older when he started getting these huge verdicts. So our childhood was, I mean we didn't need for anything, but it wasn't the lifestyle that they're living today either.

Taylor Dordick (00:46:01):
Money you guys spend to try cases that I think I didn't necessarily learn about until actually becoming a lawyer, every dollar that's made is essentially put back into the firm. There's no-

Bob Simon (00:46:13):
Yeah, [inaudible 00:46:14] license. Yeah. You never get back.

Taylor Dordick (00:46:14):
No. It's not all just profit. You got a huge verdict and you think these lawyers are just... I mean Nava tells us all the time, and we weren't privy to all the finances, but when we were, I mean super late in life. Nava says they didn't only start making money on the firm until recently.

Dylan Dordick (00:46:31):
My dad says, "You're lucky that case you tried was more expensive than your college education." He might not have been wrong.

Michelle Dordick (00:46:37):
I think the turning point-

Bob Simon (00:46:38):
It's true. Every single case costs like 200 grand to try.

Taylor Dordick (00:46:40):
It's crazy.

Bob Simon (00:46:41):
At least.

Michelle Dordick (00:46:42):
I think the turning point was that one case. The kid who was shot nine times.

Dylan Dordick (00:46:50):
Sean Pommier.

Taylor Dordick (00:46:51):
My dad remembers every case [inaudible 00:46:53].

Mauro Fiore (00:46:53):
The black guy that was out there against-

Taylor Dordick (00:46:54):
Anthony. Anthony?

Mauro Fiore (00:46:55):
Against the apartment complex on the Riverside.

Michelle Dordick (00:47:01):
Yes. That one, that was when-

Dylan Dordick (00:47:01):
Anthony Stewart.

Michelle Dordick (00:47:01):
The verdicts started to go crazy.

Dylan Dordick (00:47:01):
That was a good one. There was a security company that was running it and the security guard hid in his car because he was afraid of-

Bob Simon (00:47:06):
That was the same department you went and tried a case out. Because they were like, your dad tried a case in this-

Dylan Dordick (00:47:12):
That was a prison guard was trading sexual favors with minors for TVs and privileges and stuff. Guy shows up to his depo in a red velvet suit. They're like, "That's not what we meant by dress nice." Michelle's talking about the one. This was a private security company. They hired a guard and the guard hid in his car because he knew that people were gang bangers. And of course they shot our client, my dad in that case subpoenaed the credit card, American Express bill of the security company to pierce the corporate veil. They were like, "We keep these companies separate. Everything's separate. Nothing's personal." My dad said, "How many people at your office by diapers at Costco?" They were like, "What?" He's like, "How about toothpaste?" And just went through their American Express bill and laid into every item in it and a jury found liability and pierced the corporate veil.

Bob Simon (00:47:58):
Wow.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:58):
I think I remember going to that trial and the security guard was on the stand and your dad said, "Why did you run away? Why did you go hide in your car?" He goes, "Man, those are some dangerous fools. Those are some dangerous fools." And he took off.

Dylan Dordick (00:48:10):
You know what sticks with me from that case?

Mauro Fiore (00:48:12):
The guy just came up and started shooting.

Dylan Dordick (00:48:13):
This client lost both his legs, above the knee amputation. He died in the ambulance and he says he saw this calm feeling come over him as he died in the back of it, staring at the night sky and came back to life. And after the verdict, I mean this was incredible for a security company when he got shot by gang banger, we went to dinner with him and his family and he couldn't eat steak because his internal organs had been so damaged.

(00:48:37):
And it was one of those moments where you really see A, yes, you get to help people. But B, what a mix of emotions to see this guy who can't even eat celebrate.

Mauro Fiore (00:48:49):
That was at The Palm, where your dad had a party.

Dylan Dordick (00:48:51):
At The Palm. Exactly.

Bob Simon (00:48:53):
By the way.

Mauro Fiore (00:48:53):
I was there then.

Bob Simon (00:48:53):
I saw your fucking face at The Palm.

Mauro Fiore (00:48:54):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:48:55):
I mean I've seen your mom and dad at The Palm, their faces on the wall and I see this fucking mug.

Taylor Dordick (00:49:02):
Mauro, who did you bribe?

Bob Simon (00:49:02):
Yeah. Who did he bribe? And he looks real good.

Mauro Fiore (00:49:03):
About once or twice a month I get a picture, I get a text from some random person. It's like, "You fucker, you're on the wall at The Palm?" I was like, "Yeah, I am." Long story short, the guy used to be the manager of the palm was a friend of Gary's. Peter Pan is the guy.

Bob Simon (00:49:20):
Oh, I met, this... I remember Peter Pan.

Mauro Fiore (00:49:20):
He goes by Peter Pan. His name is like Peter Chock or whatever. He got some crazy Thai name that's like 14 letters. He goes by Peter Pan. He was the manager and he said, "Send me a picture and I'll put your picture on the wall." I was like, "Isn't that for celebrities or people that are-"

Taylor Dordick (00:49:39):
You Photoshop it first?

Mauro Fiore (00:49:41):
"That have spent tons of money at The Palm or whatever." He's like, "Yeah, don't worry." And then he put me right in the best spot right by the table and it's amazing.

Michelle Dordick (00:49:51):
The vegan.

Mauro Fiore (00:49:51):
Yeah. And I don't eat meat.

Michelle Dordick (00:49:54):
The vegan has his face on the wall of The Palm.

Bob Simon (00:49:54):
I would have thought you would've been on the base of the urinal. That'd been a great place for Mauro.

Mauro Fiore (00:49:57):
Or in the crapper.

Dylan Dordick (00:49:59):
You know what though? People look at what we have as lucky or whatever it is. So we've had all success amongst us in various different ways, but things like that, these things don't happen by accident and it's not really luck, right? You're a good person. You've made friends, you've made the effort. I mean, you put yourself in these positions for good things to happen. You create, like in hockey, you create enough good shots or enough good opportunities and it ain't luck when it bounces in off three guys stick. It's like you put enough pressure and so things like that don't happen without that.

Mauro Fiore (00:50:30):
I mean, I've helped Peter's wife with her business a few times. So like you're saying, and I've helped her for free. I never charged her.

Bob Simon (00:50:37):
Dylan, let's do the last pour here. What else, your last pour you got for us today?

Dylan Dordick (00:50:47):
Young Carter, go farther, go harder.

Bob Simon (00:50:49):
Young Carter, Old Carter. That's like Jay-Z.

Taylor Dordick (00:50:55):
How are we related? Do you ever think that?

Michelle Dordick (00:50:55):
All the time.

Dylan Dordick (00:50:55):
Old Carter is, it's a husband and wife couple who owned a vineyard in Napa and the vineyard in Napa was successful, but they wanted to move on to something else. And so they opened up a distillery called Kentucky Owl, which I'm sure you've had. And Kentucky Owl, they had a bed and breakfast and a small distillery, and it was-

Bob Simon (00:51:14):
Can you show this bottle to one of the cameras?

Dylan Dordick (00:51:15):
It was really successful. And of course it got so successful they sold it to the Stoli group like everybody else does. And then they opened up Old Carter and started making their own bourbons. This is a rye barrel proofed 58%, but it's absolutely-

Bob Simon (00:51:31):
58%?

Dylan Dordick (00:51:32):
Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous.

Mauro Fiore (00:51:33):
Barrel proofed, meaning that this is from one particular barrel?

Dylan Dordick (00:51:36):
One barrel straight from the tap.

Bob Simon (00:51:38):
Straight from the tap.

Mauro Fiore (00:51:40):
So the only bottles that come out of that barrel are these, and that's it. There's nothing else like it.

Dylan Dordick (00:51:45):
Which is really unfortunate because when you have one you really like and you're like...

Mauro Fiore (00:51:48):
Yeah, you got to go find something.

Dylan Dordick (00:51:49):
There goes that.

Bob Simon (00:51:51):
Writing on the side.

Dylan Dordick (00:51:53):
That's one of my favorites. I bought a bottle of that, finished it in three weeks and I was like A, I got to not do that again. But B-

Bob Simon (00:51:59):
Why did it take you so long?

Dylan Dordick (00:52:00):
Yeah, good question.

Bob Simon (00:52:01):
Come to my house on a Friday night, me and my dad will teach you a lesson.

Dylan Dordick (00:52:05):
The problem is if you leave it on the table in front of you, then before you know it, that's the only one.

Taylor Dordick (00:52:08):
Honestly-

Mauro Fiore (00:52:08):
Don't go to Bob's house to drink bourbon.

Taylor Dordick (00:52:09):
I think that was the worst one.

Dylan Dordick (00:52:10):
It's the same one as the one you had before.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:12):
This is fantastic.

Dylan Dordick (00:52:13):
That's incredible. Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:14):
Bob has this neighbor, this big, huge guy, Randy.

Bob Simon (00:52:18):
Oh yeah, Randy.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:18):
Who's like a vacuum cleaner drinking bourbon. Between Randy and then-

Taylor Dordick (00:52:22):
And Mauro's saying that?

Mauro Fiore (00:52:23):
Yeah. And then Bob's dad, I mean these guys will put you, you'll be out in the bushes before it gets dark.

Bob Simon (00:52:29):
I think Dylan can handle it.

Dylan Dordick (00:52:31):
For a night or two, I'm sure I could keep my own. Well, cause-

Bob Simon (00:52:35):
The second night's always easier than the first.

Dylan Dordick (00:52:37):
I like to call causing harmless trouble, right? As much trouble as you can get in without causing any permanent damage. And I have no doubt I would not be invited back to your neighborhood.

Bob Simon (00:52:46):
No, you'd be fine. It's a quiet neighborhood.

Taylor Dordick (00:52:48):
I think a little bit of the competitive, I'm...

Bob Simon (00:52:50):
Yes. Because all of you have a competitive edge to you.

Taylor Dordick (00:52:53):
Yeah, I think a little bit of the competitive nature too keeps it, I mean I want to do better than him. Sure he wants to do...

Bob Simon (00:53:00):
But is this a sibling thing or is it something that was ingrained in you? Because this is something I worry about for raising kids with wealth. Because we didn't have it, I'm just wondering, can you give your kids the drive that I see in all of you? Where do you think that drive... Even Kyle, the baby, playing hockey, right? He's playing competitive hockey in college. Where's this competitive edge come from?

Michelle Dordick (00:53:20):
We were all playing sports and put into all activities from as soon as we could walk. I was dancing. Taylor and I both danced starting at three years old. Dylan and Kyle played every sport, every season. Waverly, also my sister, did gymnastics. We all were involved in those competitive extracurricular activities. And then also I think just the fear of not succeeding, I think.

Bob Simon (00:53:54):
Wow.

Taylor Dordick (00:53:54):
Being busy and getting good grades, our parents always kept us busy in sports. And then our parents rule of thumb, I don't know if you guys feel this way, remember you can do whatever you want. Anything you want. As long as you get good grades. You want to smoke pot, you want to go to the movies at midnight? I don't care. If you come home with straight A's, do anything you want. And I think if you're getting good grades, you're going to a good school, you have a good group of friends and you're busy 80% of the time doing sports and whatnot. There's so little time to get into nonsense.

Bob Simon (00:54:22):
Yeah, so I always wonder because you guys are growing in Beverly Hills with some extreme wealth neighbors. I mean people on a different level. How do you not get into, there's got to be some bad circles, because I've heard some horror stories of people that grew up. How did you stay out of these-

Taylor Dordick (00:54:34):
Private school kids?

Dylan Dordick (00:54:35):
Yeah, no-

Mauro Fiore (00:54:36):
Those are mostly Kyle's friends.

Taylor Dordick (00:54:38):
I begged to be sent to private school. My dad's like, "I have five of you. You think I'm paying for private high school?"

Dylan Dordick (00:54:43):
We're lucky too. All the friends that we grew up with, we've known since kindergarten and you've really kept that group of friends a circle close. But I will say this, right, I mean it's so interesting. As you get older, you start looking back and I think a lot of this comes from our mom too. She's done 10 Ironmans, I think.

Taylor Dordick (00:55:00):
Eight.

Dylan Dordick (00:55:01):
Eight Ironmans. Well, she's finished eight. There was two that were a little bit difficult in the beginning, but.

Bob Simon (00:55:06):
Couldn't even finish a tenth of one.

Dylan Dordick (00:55:08):
Yeah, and after this most recent one, all of us went to and it was impossible. The winds were blowing and I've never cried. There's a couple moments I have that are really special in my life. Watching her finish that Ironman was incredible. I took her pedals off her bike and put them on my desk in a box for baseballs actually. And you know what I think ultimately above all is the cause of all of this? And my dad and my mom have similar, I don't want to call it the addictive personality. It's not so much addiction, but it's that chasing of feeling good and succeeding and doing well and really hating the feeling of failure and hating that feeling.

Michelle Dordick (00:55:48):
Sorry to interrupt, but it's not just, I just don't think it's only a genetic thing. And if you look at all of our friends growing up, so we've all gone to school with all of our best friends today since kindergarten, third grade, whatever, and they're all lawyers and none of their parents are lawyers. So it's not that-

Bob Simon (00:56:10):
Was your house the hangout house?

Taylor Dordick (00:56:11):
We had an open door policy.

Michelle Dordick (00:56:13):
They came to our house, they hung out with our parents. Gary told all the same stories to them and by osmosis influenced them also to go into law and they're all very successful, smart, good lawyers. And-

Bob Simon (00:56:32):
Dad was recruiting for resources.

Taylor Dordick (00:56:33):
The way he describes what he does for a living, and his passion for it, I was like, "I want that feeling. I want to stick it to the big insurance, fuck them."

Bob Simon (00:56:44):
Do you guys, because your dad's one of the, he's kind like, I don't have a lot of hobbies outside of my profession doing this and some people golf. Your dad's like, "I don't fucking golf. This is my fucking hobby." Do you guys have hobbies?

Dylan Dordick (00:56:55):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:56:56):
Well, you drink.

Dylan Dordick (00:56:56):
Well also, I got a nice shell casing burn on my forehead from the shooting range the other day. A piece of brass came and gave me a nice little mark there, but I have tons of hobbies. It just depends on the week. During the bar when I was studying for the exam, I was making crystal jewelry with copper wrapping and people are like, "What are you doing?" I'm like, "Relaxing. I'm making jewelry."

Taylor Dordick (00:57:18):
Dylan doesn't sleep though.

Michelle Dordick (00:57:19):
But Gary has had every... Of course, now pregnancy brain is kicking in. Gary has had every hobby under the sun. He went through a photography phase. He went through a golf phase.

Taylor Dordick (00:57:32):
No, but he'll do it for like a week.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:34):
He went through his cowboy phase.

Michelle Dordick (00:57:36):
Cowboy phase. No, but it might be a week, but he doesn't do anything half assed. He goes full throttle, a hundred percent. Buys all the equipment, does all the classes. He's gone through a tennis phase, literally every hobby.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:48):
Well, I think he still likes the tennis. Him and Carney play.

Dylan Dordick (00:57:50):
He wanted to ride horses, he went out and bought the best horse. This horse trained by-

Mauro Fiore (00:57:55):
Gave the fucking horse away.

Dylan Dordick (00:57:58):
Well, it was trained by Amish kids.

Taylor Dordick (00:57:58):
Yeah. And almost killed it.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:00):
Yeah. The horse was so smart that it knew my dad didn't really know how to ride him, right?

Bob Simon (00:58:04):
Oh, God.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:04):
And so it went up and he went up the mountain.

Mauro Fiore (00:58:06):
He went to Colorado, bought the horse and it was...

Dylan Dordick (00:58:08):
At an auction. And somebody offered him-

Taylor Dordick (00:58:09):
And then had to be airlifted off the mountain the next week.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:11):
Well, it got stung. Got stung by a bee. He had to...

Taylor Dordick (00:58:14):
I was like, "What the fuck?"

Mauro Fiore (00:58:15):
Riley used to say there's no such thing as a cow Jew.

Bob Simon (00:58:17):
Cow Jew

Mauro Fiore (00:58:21):
Riley used to call him the cow Jew, but Nick lived next door to him when Gary went through his horse phase, that he had to give the fucking horses away. Because he couldn't even sell them. And then he gave him away.

Michelle Dordick (00:58:31):
Not just the horses. We also had alpacas.

Mauro Fiore (00:58:33):
Alpacas, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:58:34):
What?

Dylan Dordick (00:58:34):
They're terrible. Alpacas are flight animals, so you got to let them run around.

Taylor Dordick (00:58:37):
Snakes, birds.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:38):
But they spend their entire day trying to escape. And you got to-

Taylor Dordick (00:58:41):
That's the pygmy goats.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:41):
No, that was the alpacas.

Bob Simon (00:58:42):
Pygmy goats.

Dylan Dordick (00:58:44):
You're running around chasing after this alpaca, trying to grab it. And you got to jump on it by the neck, which is not, feels wrong.

Taylor Dordick (00:59:00):
And they spit on you.

Dylan Dordick (00:59:00):
You got to do it.

Bob Simon (00:59:00):
Just heard they spit.

Taylor Dordick (00:59:00):
Actually someone gifted him the alpacas.

Bob Simon (00:59:00):
Save the drama for your llamas is a real thing.

Taylor Dordick (00:59:03):
For his birthday.

Dylan Dordick (00:59:03):
A client, my dad had helped a client.

Mauro Fiore (00:59:04):
I remember when the guy brought the alpacas to the house for his birthday.

Dylan Dordick (00:59:07):
The guy was in a wheelchair and my dad helped this guy get a nice verdict and he bought my dad alpacas for his birthday. They show up in a trailer. He's like, "What?"

Michelle Dordick (00:59:15):
People love to gift us animals. Nick Riley also gifted us-

Taylor Dordick (00:59:19):
My parents like living in chaos.

Mauro Fiore (00:59:20):
Remember that sphinx cat that would attack me every time I was there?

Taylor Dordick (00:59:24):
Attacked me so bad.

Mauro Fiore (00:59:25):
That sphinx cat hated me.

Dylan Dordick (00:59:25):
A friend of mine once said-

Taylor Dordick (00:59:27):
He gave that away too.

Dylan Dordick (00:59:27):
You can tell a lot about a person by their relationship with chaos, like how comfortable they are in it.

Bob Simon (00:59:32):
I would never gift somebody an animal. That's really fucked up.

Taylor Dordick (00:59:35):
Nick Riley's gifted us a few.

Bob Simon (00:59:37):
What kind of animals?

Taylor Dordick (00:59:38):
He gifted us the sphinx.

Mauro Fiore (00:59:40):
He gave Gary a sphinx cat. You know those hairless cats?

Taylor Dordick (00:59:46):
He tried to give us his last-

Mauro Fiore (00:59:47):
Like Mr. Bigglesworth?

Taylor Dordick (00:59:47):
Dog.

Michelle Dordick (00:59:47):
Oh, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:59:48):
Mr. Bigglesworth?

Michelle Dordick (00:59:48):
He tried to give us a dog.

Bob Simon (00:59:48):
What the fuck?

Taylor Dordick (00:59:49):
Yeah, Nava put her foot down on that one.

Mauro Fiore (00:59:51):
That was his one dog that when you guys lived in Topanga and Nick lived next door. Remember Nick had a dog that would just live at like people's houses for several days during the weekend?

Dylan Dordick (01:00:00):
Yeah, the Rhodesian ridgeback.

Mauro Fiore (01:00:01):
Yeah. It would live at the neighbor's house for a couple days, then it would go to Gary's house and it would go down the street. The dog was just like a free agent. And then it would eventually come back to Nick's, eventually. But the dog kind of lived everywhere. I think his name was Nebo or something. Remember that? Debo?

Dylan Dordick (01:00:17):
That neighborhood in Topanga, we're all having a party, a 50th birthday party for my dad. We're doing beer bongs with my grandfather. I got a picture of it and my teacher in college somehow lived in Topanga and shows up and watches me doing beer bongs.

Mauro Fiore (01:00:31):
And your dad had set up the most ricketiest, shittiest zip line in his backyard.

Bob Simon (01:00:35):
I remember the zip line.

Taylor Dordick (01:00:36):
Oh my God. Do you remember-

Mauro Fiore (01:00:37):
And I was like, Gary, are you sure?

Bob Simon (01:00:38):
I went to one party and there was a tattoo artist and a zip line.

Taylor Dordick (01:00:40):
Are you talking about when Dylan did it?

Dylan Dordick (01:00:42):
No, my dad went first. He said, "It's rickety, but I'll go first."

Taylor Dordick (01:00:45):
He got Dylan stuck in the middle over the vineyard because he pushes Dylan off the ledge and then goes, "I forgot to attach the pulley."

Dylan Dordick (01:00:54):
It was just a carabiner.

Taylor Dordick (01:00:55):
Dylan's like, "What?" And then he's in the middle like, "You've got to be kidding me."

Bob Simon (01:01:00):
Some trial lawyer over here.

Michelle Dordick (01:01:02):
Yeah. He doesn't like to gamble with money, but he likes to gamble with a lot of other things.

Taylor Dordick (01:01:05):
Lives.

Michelle Dordick (01:01:06):
Lives.

Bob Simon (01:01:06):
So we're going to end this episode. I would ask each of you, what is the future if your dad retired tomorrow, three years, five years, what's it look like for you?

Taylor Dordick (01:01:18):
We'd have to get along.

Mauro Fiore (01:01:19):
Dordick and Fiore I think is the firm when [inaudible 01:01:22].

Bob Simon (01:01:21):
Yeah, would it be called Dordick and Fiore, first of all.

Mauro Fiore (01:01:22):
Dordick and Fiore. Uncle Mauro would come in to...

Taylor Dordick (01:01:26):
Michelle and I have been trying to kick Dylan out for a while. I don't know.

Bob Simon (01:01:29):
So let's play the game of Succession.

Dylan Dordick (01:01:31):
I don't watch that show because I feel like it's going to hit too close to home.

Michelle Dordick (01:01:34):
It does.

Mauro Fiore (01:01:36):
Yeah, it would.

Taylor Dordick (01:01:38):
Dylan threatens to leave every week he's done.

Dylan Dordick (01:01:40):
My dream in my head, the way it all plays out in the movie that I've written, is that I leave, start my own firm and then force my parents to buy it back to join after they flounder without me.

Taylor Dordick (01:01:52):
He's legitimately written that email to my dad before.

Mauro Fiore (01:01:56):
You have been drinking a lot.

Taylor Dordick (01:01:58):
Mauro, he wrote that in an email to my dad. All well-written, thought out, like CC HR. This is his actual game plan.

Bob Simon (01:02:06):
You fucking used ChatGPT. No doubt. You wrote a screenplay.

Dylan Dordick (01:02:08):
No, no, no. I just used anger.

Taylor Dordick (01:02:10):
Dylan has dreams.

Michelle Dordick (01:02:13):
This is why he falls asleep in depositions because he's up until two o'clock in the morning writing these insane emails.

Taylor Dordick (01:02:17):
Writing these emails.

Dylan Dordick (01:02:17):
I told somebody I think I have narcolepsy. They said, "Well, do you just fall asleep in boring depos?" I said, "Yeah." They're like, "Then it's just boring. You don't have narcolepsy."

Mauro Fiore (01:02:25):
No. I remember I had a case one time that Michelle was on it with me and she doesn't know me like that or whatever. And I remember the first-

Michelle Dordick (01:02:31):
It was early.

Mauro Fiore (01:02:35):
I've sent, I'll admit, I've sent shitty emails to defense lawyers. And the first few shitty emails I sent, she sent me a text. She's like, "Man, I didn't know you were like that."

Michelle Dordick (01:02:44):
Well, then you followed up with, "You should see the emails I send to my office."

Mauro Fiore (01:02:47):
You should see the ones I send my associates. But yeah, she was shocked by how I dealt with...

Dylan Dordick (01:02:53):
I will say this though, Bob, I think ironically one of the greatest inspirations for what I see is the future is what you've built. Because-

Taylor Dordick (01:03:00):
I was about say that.

Dylan Dordick (01:03:02):
We have become-

Bob Simon (01:03:02):
You guys are going to make me cry If you give me three more whiskeys.

Taylor Dordick (01:03:06):
We really need to learn more.

Dylan Dordick (01:03:09):
I'm a true believer in what we do and what my dream in this world is to create an army of trial lawyers who insurance companies are terrified of. Right? And you've done that in such a beautiful way and the dream I think ultimately is I want to create a firm whose sole purpose, I wanted to call the nonprofit law firm. That we don't care if we make money or lose money. It's not that we're nonprofit, we just don't care. We are here to train an army of people that you better be afraid of because there's good reason for it. I think that's what I see.

Taylor Dordick (01:03:41):
What makes me sad about that email you always threaten just for attention is that what I love about working with families, you always know none of us are going to go anywhere. None of us are leaving. You don't have the threat of anyone going anywhere and you know that you can build an empire together with the idea that you're in it together and you just expand and expand the family that you know everyone's going to stay and back you and be by your side and just grow together. I really hope that we can build that.

Dylan Dordick (01:04:17):
Well, because the beauty of it all, right? When my dad got sick, the thing that really drove me, and I think us too, is he never dies if we keep trying cases. The way that he lives and the way that he acted and did things lives on forever through us in a slightly different version. And the more that we pass that on, the more likely it is that he lives forever essentially.

Bob Simon (01:04:37):
Amazing. So the stuff you guys don't see from your dad-

Taylor Dordick (01:04:39):
Legends never die.

Bob Simon (01:04:41):
How proud he is. He doesn't want to tell you guys probably too much. To keep you driving.

Dylan Dordick (01:04:46):
Never

Michelle Dordick (01:04:46):
Never.

Taylor Dordick (01:04:46):
Occasional birthday card.

Michelle Dordick (01:04:47):
We're on a few private text chains where every time you guys do something...

Mauro Fiore (01:04:50):
He's very, he couldn't be prouder.

Dylan Dordick (01:04:53):
Your good friends say mean things to your face and talk good behind your back.

Bob Simon (01:04:57):
It makes me get emotional just thinking about it. What he sends when you guys were on the paper together one time and you guys tried that case, he's very proud.

Taylor Dordick (01:05:05):
Well, your kids are going to be trying cases with us one day. We're going to have a kids of kids unite.

Bob Simon (01:05:09):
We all have to become-

Mauro Fiore (01:05:10):
As long as they follow Bob. Bob's an inspiration to everybody, man, Bob. People ask me about Bob and I always say, "Man, whatever Bob Simon says he's going to do, I don't care if he says I'm going to be a fucking astronaut. He's going to be an astronaut."

Taylor Dordick (01:05:24):
Bob has the most loyal, amazing group.

Mauro Fiore (01:05:26):
Whatever Bob says he's going to do, he's going to do. So I always tell people, "Don't discount anything Bob says."

Bob Simon (01:05:32):
I don't have no interest to go to the moon. Now Mars, I'd go to Mars.

Mauro Fiore (01:05:32):
Don't discount anything Bob says. Because if he says it, shit [inaudible 01:05:34].

Taylor Dordick (01:05:34):
Dyl and I both had the pleasure of working for Bob before we worked at my dad's firm. I tried a case with you. I think you guys are, my dad's so lucky to have-

Michelle Dordick (01:05:42):
If I had a dollar every time Dylan or Taylor said, "Well, at Bob's office they do it this way." Okay? I'd retire.

Taylor Dordick (01:05:49):
When he got in trouble for not paying, not doing the settlement-

Bob Simon (01:05:53):
Expense sheet?

Taylor Dordick (01:05:54):
Expense sheet, he said, "Well, because at Bob's it's a much better system."

Bob Simon (01:05:58):
It's all automated. It's just there.

Taylor Dordick (01:06:01):
And Nava then called me, "Well, what is Bob doing that we're not doing?"

Michelle Dordick (01:06:06):
She got so mad.

Taylor Dordick (01:06:06):
"What is your dad telling me that Bob does it better and we need to fix it?"

Dylan Dordick (01:06:11):
It's not even true. I just say it now to goad him.

Taylor Dordick (01:06:13):
I say it all the time.

Bob Simon (01:06:15):
Dylan, can you bring out these bottles because we're going to end the show on we're going to pick all of your bourbon of proof out here. We had a lot of drinking on this episode. Because it was the legacy ep.

Dylan Dordick (01:06:23):
And everything was barrel proof in Bob's honor. And half of them were rye in Bob's honor because-

Bob Simon (01:06:28):
You know what? You're the man.

Dylan Dordick (01:06:29):
Something about Kentucky breeds a desire for rye. I mean Pennsylvania, it breeds a desire for rye.

Bob Simon (01:06:34):
Well, I just think it's where you kind of grew up, what you drank is... If you're in the Caribbean, you like rum. It's just what you grew up off of.

Dylan Dordick (01:06:40):
If you're in Pittsburgh, you have a toilet in the basement.

Bob Simon (01:06:42):
That's right. I just drank bath water.

Mauro Fiore (01:06:45):
I grew up in LA so I used to just drink Old Granddad.

Dylan Dordick (01:06:47):
Old Granddad.

Mauro Fiore (01:06:47):
Old Granddad.

Bob Simon (01:06:50):
We have one called Old Hat in Pittsburgh. Terrible. Okay, so we'll start with Michelle because you have an obvious answer.

Michelle Dordick (01:06:59):
My favorite?

Bob Simon (01:07:01):
What was your bourbon of proof after all of these, being five months pregnant? Are you five?

Michelle Dordick (01:07:05):
Seven.

Bob Simon (01:07:06):
Seven? Geez. You show well.

Mauro Fiore (01:07:08):
You're ready to go.

Michelle Dordick (01:07:10):
Ready to go.

Bob Simon (01:07:11):
You're like my wife. You won't pop till nine months. It'll be like, "Oh my God, you're really pregnant."

Michelle Dordick (01:07:15):
Well, I pray that I'm like your wife in any way. Okay.

Bob Simon (01:07:19):
Just talk, she'll teach you the ways of... Or the husband.

Michelle Dordick (01:07:24):
What do you want me to tell you? My favorite one.

Bob Simon (01:07:26):
What's your favorite one?

Michelle Dordick (01:07:26):
I can't pick. They were all so good.

Bob Simon (01:07:28):
Well, there you go. Thank you, Michelle. Taylor, what was your bourbon of proof over here?

Taylor Dordick (01:07:32):
New Riff, by a landslide. Smoothest.

Bob Simon (01:07:36):
And that was a hundred proof, by the way. That was a bottle and bond.

Taylor Dordick (01:07:40):
Wow.

Dylan Dordick (01:07:41):
How are you going to ask me to pick my favorite child? I mean, these are my babies. Each one is hand selected.

Bob Simon (01:07:45):
You guys are one of five and you have to pick one of fucking five.

Taylor Dordick (01:07:49):
I knew you were going to say something ignorant like that. I knew it.

Dylan Dordick (01:07:54):
Ignorant. Well, the Grand Royal, that little bottle, that represents Taylor, so probably not that one. I would say Four Roses. Small batch, limited edition. The new school over the old school sitting right next to it. Huh?

Bob Simon (01:08:07):
You just picked Kyle. That was Kyle.

Taylor Dordick (01:08:09):
That was Kyle.

Dylan Dordick (01:08:11):
Round?

Taylor Dordick (01:08:11):
I was going to say.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:14):
Leave Kyle alone. Me and him share the same birthday. We have a bond.

Taylor Dordick (01:08:18):
The heart of an angel, that kid.

Michelle Dordick (01:08:20):
Well, he's the best one of the five of us.

Taylor Dordick (01:08:21):
Yes.

Dylan Dordick (01:08:23):
Well, Mauro, which do you pick one? Which one of my children do you love?

Bob Simon (01:08:25):
Well, we don't ask the co-host. You can't [inaudible 01:08:27].

Mauro Fiore (01:08:26):
We never ask the host. But if you had to twist my arm, I kind of like the Grand Royal.

Bob Simon (01:08:33):
That was also a psychedelic, so we will be seeing you guys on planet Mars for the next episode of Bourbon of Proof. Seriously, Dordick legacy. Thank you guys for coming on. We look forward to the next 3, 5, 10, 15, 25, 50 years being together. Thank you for this episode of Bourbon of Proof. Thank you guys for coming on.

Dylan Dordick (01:08:49):
Thank you.

Michelle Dordick (01:08:50):
Thank you.

Taylor Dordick (01:08:50):
Pseudo uncles.

Michelle Dordick (01:08:50):
Real uncles.

Dylan Dordick (01:08:51):
And if you're looking forward to 20 years, you don't believe in global warming.