Candice Bond

Candice Bond (00:00:00):
So, the tobacco litigation was really interesting, because it was so heavy discovery. And what they were trying to prove, was that they knew that this was a chemical, and they knew they were marketing to young kids, but they weren't, obviously, admitting it. Everyone was at the office late at night and someone called, a random caller, and said, "We have what you want in the garbage can." And the trial was hot and heavy, so it was going pretty crazy. And so, there was dog poop all in the trash can, and dog poop all on the paper. So, Russ Herman has a big statue of a gold piece of poop that he has on his desk, because that was what won the case.

Bob Simon (00:00:37):
Isn't it crazy? You have to literally dig as a lawyer. All these lawyer shows we watch, they're all true. No one's going to just give you, "Hey, we screwed up." You got to (beep) find it.

Candice Bond (00:00:46):
Right, and then that was discovery where they'd say, "Okay, discovery's on its way," and it was like 12 semis full of documents.

Bob Simon (00:00:53):
Yeah. Good luck.

Candice Bond (00:00:53):
And we'd have to go through with a yellow highlighter.

Bob Simon (00:01:17):
Welcome to this episode of Bourbon of Proof, where we find those who inspire us, because they've succeeded in both law and life, and we are very honored and blessed today to have Miss Candice Bond.

Candice Bond (00:01:29):
Thank you, thank you.

Bob Simon (00:01:30):
For those who don't know Candice, she literally came from the Bayous, Louisiana to Bel Air, and we're going to tell her story from being that little girl in Louisiana, all the way up through...

Mauro Fiore (00:01:41):
Bayou girl. She's a Bayou girl.

Bob Simon (00:01:42):
Bayou...

Candice Bond (00:01:42):
Girl. Don't mess with them.

Bob Simon (00:01:45):
That's right. So, we always start with a whiskey pour.

Candice Bond (00:01:48):
Okay.

Bob Simon (00:01:53):
I'm going to start today with Smoke Wagon, and this is Bottled in Bond.

Candice Bond (00:01:57):
Oh.

Bob Simon (00:01:59):
So, this is very special for Candice Bond. Well, a lot of whiskeys are Bottled in Bond, because if it's 50% alcohol, you can qualify for being Bond. But this is also from Nevada, and they make this with... This is a rye one, and the first time I ever met Miss Candice Bond was in Nevada.

Candice Bond (00:02:12):
Yes.

Bob Simon (00:02:12):
It was in Las Vegas.

Candice Bond (00:02:13):
There we go.

Bob Simon (00:02:13):
So, let's pour first. Mauro, can you just...

Candice Bond (00:02:15):
We were both surprised that each of us were cool.

Bob Simon (00:02:17):
That's right.

Candice Bond (00:02:18):
I was like, "You're cool." And he's like, "You're cool." And I'm like, "How do we not know each other?"

Bob Simon (00:02:21):
That's exactly what happened. So, when I first met Candice, we were at the... Actually, I need a little more.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:27):
Yeah, what is that?

Candice Bond (00:02:28):
A taster.

Bob Simon (00:02:29):
These glasses are wide. This is just a sample.

Candice Bond (00:02:31):
It's a taster.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:33):
This will barely wet my whistle.

Candice Bond (00:02:35):
Wet your whistle. That's such a old thing to say. Cheers.

Bob Simon (00:02:38):
Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cilantro.

Candice Bond (00:02:40):
Cheers.

Bob Simon (00:02:41):
So, tell me what you think of this one, because I'm a big fan of it.

Candice Bond (00:02:43):
Okay.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:46):
Bob, you failed to introduce your...

Bob Simon (00:02:48):
Oh yeah, Mauro.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:49):
Your...

Candice Bond (00:02:49):
Co-host.

Mauro Fiore (00:02:50):
Your most esteemed co-host.

Bob Simon (00:02:52):
All right. Well, Mauro Fiore is here, ladies and gentlemen. La la la la, here he is. Okay.

Candice Bond (00:02:56):
I like it, it cleans out your chest. It feels a little like...

Bob Simon (00:02:59):
It's a good starter.

Candice Bond (00:03:00):
Yeah, it feels like it's...

Bob Simon (00:03:02):
Working its way through.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:02):
Bob, have you ever heard about how you're supposed to drink whiskey? You're supposed to hold your breath and drink it, and then after three seconds, then take a breath and it's supposed to really hit you good?

Bob Simon (00:03:14):
No, I think this is one of his sexual fantasies.

Candice Bond (00:03:17):
No, I was about to say, it sounds very tantric.

Bob Simon (00:03:24):
I know. This guy. All right, here we go. So, first time I met Candice was at the CAALA Convention in Vegas, and Candice was holding court just at the nice bar, across from the B bar.

Candice Bond (00:03:33):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:03:34):
Dave Renard says, "I want you to meet my friend." Because this is when I was first starting to try a lot of cases, and this is Candice Bond. I was like, "Holy shit."

Mauro Fiore (00:03:40):
This is when the convention was at the Bellagio?

Bob Simon (00:03:43):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:43):
Right?

Bob Simon (00:03:44):
I think so, I don't remember.

Candice Bond (00:03:45):
This is when it was fun.

Bob Simon (00:03:46):
It was fun.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:46):
Because they had that one circle bar over there.

Bob Simon (00:03:48):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:48):
Yeah, that was...

Candice Bond (00:03:49):
Yeah, it was kind of by the hotel, our rooms.

Bob Simon (00:03:51):
Correct.

Mauro Fiore (00:03:51):
I remember that.

Candice Bond (00:03:52):
Yeah, we'd slither down to our...

Bob Simon (00:03:56):
Yeah, because I always thought of this unapproachable celebrity lawyer and I was like, "Holy shit, she's hilarious."

Candice Bond (00:04:01):
Me? Oh my God.

Bob Simon (00:04:02):
Yes.

Candice Bond (00:04:02):
That is funny. Well, I love Dave. He's come to all my son's birthday parties.

Bob Simon (00:04:10):
Wow.

Candice Bond (00:04:10):
He and Christine. And so, I really have a special extra love for him, because that's just... To travel to come to that, it's just like, "Okay, I love you. You're my buddy." He's a good guy.

Bob Simon (00:04:20):
Dave and Christine, and my wife and I actually went on his honeymoon, believe it or not.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:26):
They came on my honeymoon.

Candice Bond (00:04:27):
Oh, how fun.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:28):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It actually gave me somebody to talk to.

Candice Bond (00:04:30):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:33):
My wife doesn't watch this thing.

Candice Bond (00:04:34):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:35):
No, it was fun that they came and it was great. And Dave and Christine are good friends of ours. He lives probably about... If I was on a golf course, I could hit a driver to his house from my house.

Candice Bond (00:04:46):
Oh, that's awesome.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:47):
He's right in my neighborhood. So, we hang out with them and we go to dinner and stuff, because they're real close by.

Candice Bond (00:04:50):
They're just good people.

Mauro Fiore (00:04:51):
Very good people.

Candice Bond (00:04:52):
Very good people.

Bob Simon (00:04:53):
So, Candice, we're going to tell our viewers all about how you became that little girl in Louisiana.

Candice Bond (00:05:01):
Right.

Bob Simon (00:05:02):
Single mom.

Candice Bond (00:05:03):
Right, single mom.

Bob Simon (00:05:04):
Only child.

Candice Bond (00:05:05):
Only child.

Bob Simon (00:05:06):
To get your GED at 16.

Candice Bond (00:05:08):
Yes.

Bob Simon (00:05:09):
And fighting ever since.

Candice Bond (00:05:12):
Yeah. We were from Gillis, Louisiana, which is small. It's bayou country, its population about 500.

Bob Simon (00:05:22):
You think it was named after Dobie Gillis? Now that's an old show.

Candice Bond (00:05:25):
I don't know.

Mauro Fiore (00:05:26):
Is that from...

Bob Simon (00:05:26):
Dobie Gillis. Nick at Nite back in the day.

Mauro Fiore (00:05:28):
Yeah, that's from Nickelodeon.

Bob Simon (00:05:30):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:05:30):
I remember that.

Candice Bond (00:05:31):
Maybe.

Bob Simon (00:05:31):
Black and white.

Candice Bond (00:05:32):
Maybe. You never know. The other little town was called Moss Bluff, so that was also a little weird word. So yeah, I grew up there, my family was there, so I loved it there. And my mom was in, actually, a car accident when we were younger, when I was 12. And now that I look back on your life's journey, I see how that was my first introduction to big insurance, and how they try to approach people that they think are poor or whatever, which we were, to give you a quick check so that you don't get a lawyer.

Bob Simon (00:06:07):
Literally give you a quick check?

Candice Bond (00:06:09):
Literally give you a quick check. Literally the State Farm agent knock on your door. I don't know if I can say State Farm. And they give you a check.

Bob Simon (00:06:17):
Sure, you can say Snake Farm if you want.

Candice Bond (00:06:18):
They give you a check. And I remember thinking, because it was such a bad accident, it was one of those where my mom was in the jaws of life, taken one ambulance, and I had blood all over my jeans, I remember, and they were my new jeans and I was so...

Bob Simon (00:06:30):
How old were you?

Candice Bond (00:06:30):
12.

Bob Simon (00:06:30):
12, shit.

Candice Bond (00:06:33):
Yeah, so they didn't know where my blood was coming from so they put me in another ambulance and then her in another ambulance. And so, I didn't know if she was dead or alive for hours once I got to the hospital. So, that was pretty crazy. And then, she had major injuries, she was in the hospital for some days, and then when we got out, I remember some random person knocking on our door and my grandpa was like, "Come to the kitchen table." Which to us is big time. If you're inviting him to our kitchen table, that's Southern, that's like, "We're going to be nice to you." And my grandpa was like, "This seems good." And $8,000 for a punctured lung, punctured liver.

Bob Simon (00:07:09):
And now you only work on those seven to eight, nine figure cases. That was a seven figure that-

Candice Bond (00:07:13):
Oh, yeah, for sure. And plus, the story behind it. A single mom that has to provide for me and all of her family. We were on vacation actually there, we'd gone back to see my grandpa. And that disturbed everything. It disturbed how she worked and how she slept, and a single mom works like three jobs sometimes. And so, it was a big deal. And those are the people that our clients need to meet.

Bob Simon (00:07:37):
But do you think that, if you had to rewind time and disrupt the continuum, if your mom had known a lawyer, you probably didn't know any lawyers.

Candice Bond (00:07:46):
We didn't know any lawyers. No, we didn't know any lawyers. No, for sure.

Bob Simon (00:07:49):
She found a good lawyer out there and she had a seven figure recovery, would you be Candice Bond that we know today?

Candice Bond (00:07:55):
I don't know how that really... Because I didn't think that was a huge effect on me back then. Back then, the big effect was my cousin actually died, when I was 16, in a car accident. And we were named after each other, Brandy and Candy. My mom and my aunt were very close. And when she died in the car accident, that's what really screwed me up, just seeing the dead body. Being in the South, we have this viewing, so the body's there for 24 hours, so people can come say bye to the body, then we have the funeral. And so, me being with this dead body, which was my cousin, for 24 hours, just really jacked me up. So, I quit school at that point. I didn't really know why I was quitting school. In my mind, I was like, "I'm just tired of school. Who needs school?" But it was a lot of trauma I think.

Bob Simon (00:08:49):
This was 16 years old?

Candice Bond (00:08:49):
Mm-hmm. (affirmative)

Bob Simon (00:08:49):
Quit school after Brandy died.

Candice Bond (00:08:50):
Yeah, after Brandy died. Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:08:52):
So, what'd you do after that?

Candice Bond (00:08:54):
After that I went to New Orleans and I worked on Bourbon Street, and I got a job as a receptionist for an oil and gas company. I was a receptionist there for their firm, and they were like, "Hey, you're smart. Why don't you go to paralegal school?" So, I was like, "Okay, cool." So, I went to paralegal school, and then the guy at paralegal night school was like, "Hey, you're smart. Why aren't you in college?" I'm like, "I don't know, we can't afford that where I'm from." And he's like, "Yes, you can. Go get the papers, bring them back and fill them out."

(00:09:27):
And so I did, and then I was in college, and then I was a paralegal intern. I got a little upgrade, because I was in paralegal school. I worked for the best firm, Herman, Herman, Katz & Cotlar. I don't know if it's Cotlar anymore.

Bob Simon (00:09:40):
Not Doug Cotlar?

Candice Bond (00:09:41):
No. They're so good.

Mauro Fiore (00:09:45):
This was in Louisiana?

Candice Bond (00:09:45):
Yeah, New Orleans.

Mauro Fiore (00:09:46):
New Orleans.

Candice Bond (00:09:46):
They're still going and they started the big Tobacco litigation. They started it. Russ Herman. Even in Morgan's book, he references the heavy hitters and he references Panish and Russ Herman.

Bob Simon (00:10:00):
Yeas, I remember that's You Can't Teach Hungry, and I remember reading that book.

Candice Bond (00:10:03):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:10:03):
When I met Brian Panish, he gave me a copy. And it even says in there, you'll pay a premium if Brian Panish is on your case. In California, it must be Herman the one-

Candice Bond (00:10:12):
Oh yeah, it is. It's crazy. So, the tobacco litigation was really interesting because it was so heavy discovery. And what they were trying to prove, was that they knew that this was a chemical, and they knew they were marketing to young kids, but they weren't, obviously, admitting it. And so, there was all these emails back and forth where they were admitting it. So, one night, everyone was at the office late at night and someone called, a random caller, and said, "We have what you want in the garbage can."

Bob Simon (00:10:42):
Like in the movies.

Candice Bond (00:10:43):
This really happened though, in New Orleans.

Mauro Fiore (00:10:44):
It sounds like, what was that movie with Danny DeVito and Matt Damon?

Bob Simon (00:10:49):
Matt Damon. The Rainmaker.

Mauro Fiore (00:10:49):
The Rainmaker.

Candice Bond (00:10:50):
Yeah, it really happened.

Bob Simon (00:10:51):
And Mauro's like DeVito, he sits in the emergency room looking for clients.

Mauro Fiore (00:10:54):
Actually, I've been compared to Bruiser in that film.

Bob Simon (00:10:55):
Bruiser?

Candice Bond (00:10:55):
Bruiser.

Mauro Fiore (00:10:58):
Remember Bruiser?

Candice Bond (00:10:59):
Bruiser was cool.

Mauro Fiore (00:11:00):
His stock-in-trade was stolen evidence, you remember.

Bob Simon (00:11:02):
Oh, there we go.

Mauro Fiore (00:11:03):
That was the Bruiser.

Candice Bond (00:11:04):
His shark tank I remember, I liked that.

Mauro Fiore (00:11:06):
Yes. Remember, Bruiser said, "My associates are expected to generate their own fees. In other words, capped case."

Candice Bond (00:11:13):
Yes. God, those people have-

Mauro Fiore (00:11:17):
That's a great movie, by the way.

Bob Simon (00:11:19):
That's a fantastic movie.

Candice Bond (00:11:20):
Oh, I love that movie. That's one of my... I tell my office-

Bob Simon (00:11:23):
Did you ever think about making your life into a screenplay? I was talking to my friend Bryce on the way here and just telling your story, and he was like, "This sounds like the best movie ever." I'm like, "This is a real person." Some of this really-

Candice Bond (00:11:33):
You know what's funny is... So, let me finish that, because that story is funny. So, they said, "It's in the trash can." So, some paralegals that were working late at night all went to this trash can, one of those big ones.

Bob Simon (00:11:44):
And for our listeners and viewers, if you go to the trash can, it's public, so once you throw something out, there's no right to privacy, so you can actually dumpster dive.

Candice Bond (00:11:51):
There you go.

Bob Simon (00:11:52):
Not like Mauro does for fun on the weekends, but actually for evidence.

Mauro Fiore (00:11:55):
Well, I call myself more of a... That's called garage sailing.

Bob Simon (00:11:59):
Garage sailing.

Mauro Fiore (00:12:00):
I'm a garage sailer.

Bob Simon (00:12:00):
All right.

Candice Bond (00:12:01):
So, they dumpster dove, and she was a scorned girlfriend of one of these executives at tobacco, at Philip Morris. And she took all the emails that were smoking guns and she threw them in the trash can.

Mauro Fiore (00:12:14):
Was she girlfriend, like side piece, or girlfriend?

Candice Bond (00:12:17):
Yeah, I don't know, and I was too young to really figure out what was going on. I was just like, "Evidence is coming in the trash can hot."

Bob Simon (00:12:23):
Candice, when was this? Late '90s?

Candice Bond (00:12:25):
Oh, god. Well, I graduated law school in 2003, so yeah, late '90s. And the trial was hot and heavy, so it was going pretty crazy. And so, there was dog poop all in the trash can, and dog poop all on the paper. So, Russ Herman has a big statue of a gold piece of poop that he has on his desk, because that was what won the case.

Bob Simon (00:12:51):
Isn't it crazy, you have to literally dig as a lawyer. All these lawyer shows we watch, they're all true. No one's going to just give you, "Hey, we screwed up." You got to fucking find it.

Candice Bond (00:13:00):
Right, and that was discovery where they'd say, "Okay, discovery's on its way," and it was 12 semis full of documents.

Bob Simon (00:13:06):
Yeah. Good luck.

Candice Bond (00:13:06):
And we'd have to go through with a yellow highlighter. And there was this couple of attorneys that were like, "We only like this yellow highlighter." So, if you used another color yellow, you'd get in trouble, so I was like, "Oh my God, what does this lady like for my highlighter?" But you're looking for one word in that whole semi truck and you never find it, so the poop was a great accomplishment.

Bob Simon (00:13:23):
And now you can just drop all those documents, scan them, use AI to search it for you.

Candice Bond (00:13:25):
So beautiful.

Bob Simon (00:13:25):
So much easier. It reminds me of that scene from-

Mauro Fiore (00:13:30):
I was on a plane recently and I watched it.

Bob Simon (00:13:30):
You were on a plane?

Mauro Fiore (00:13:31):
I was on a plane, it was flying.

Bob Simon (00:13:32):
Your private, your PJ?

Mauro Fiore (00:13:33):
No.

Bob Simon (00:13:34):
Southwest is his PJ.

Mauro Fiore (00:13:35):
My private jet says SWA on the side.

Candice Bond (00:13:38):
Southwest.

Mauro Fiore (00:13:39):
Yeah, that's my private jet.

Candice Bond (00:13:39):
Mine too. We have the same one.

Mauro Fiore (00:13:40):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:13:40):
It's a good one.

Mauro Fiore (00:13:43):
I was watching this movie that, it's a movie that I'd never heard of, but it was with that guy Mark Ruffalo, the actor?

Bob Simon (00:13:48):
Yeah, plays The Hulk.

Mauro Fiore (00:13:49):
Where he played an attorney that was suing Monsanto for poisoning the water in this town in someplace in the south. No, New Jersey. It was a very good movie.

Bob Simon (00:14:02):
The South of New Jersey.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:03):
Not South.

Bob Simon (00:14:03):
Close.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:04):
It was New Jersey, because I remember he was in New York. But the thing was, it was a very realistic movie about discovery and how shit works and everything, but I never heard of the movie before. It wasn't that popular, I don't think.

Bob Simon (00:14:14):
I got to find it.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:14):
I can't remember the name of it, but it's a great movie about-

Candice Bond (00:14:16):
I love those. And they're real, they're true. The stories that those people have, like Russ Herman has these stories that you're just like, "Oh my God, really?" It's pretty wild.

Bob Simon (00:14:26):
I was thinking of the scene when you were mentioning that, in Clueless, where she's helping her dad and everyone's at the dining room table and they're highlighting shit.

Candice Bond (00:14:33):
Yeah, highlighting things.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:35):
I think we have ants.

Bob Simon (00:14:38):
They're trying to get your whiskey.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:39):
Oh no, there's some flies.

Candice Bond (00:14:41):
Oh my God, my son would be so excited. He'd be like, "Mommy, there's bugs."

Bob Simon (00:14:44):
You have to drink it.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:44):
I already drank mine, Bob. This story's great, but my-

Bob Simon (00:14:47):
Oh, yeah. Okay.

Candice Bond (00:14:48):
His cup is getting...

Mauro Fiore (00:14:49):
My cup is empty. Let's get that.

Candice Bond (00:14:50):
Let's fill his cup.

Mauro Fiore (00:14:51):
Let's try to keep this going.

Bob Simon (00:14:52):
Well, Candice, you're up, we got to see what you brought.

Candice Bond (00:14:54):
Okay, all right.

Bob Simon (00:14:55):
Well, you got to finish yours first, because you cannot...

Candice Bond (00:14:57):
I can't mix the two?

Mauro Fiore (00:14:59):
No, no.

Bob Simon (00:14:59):
I mean you can, but it would be like...

Candice Bond (00:15:01):
Okay, gosh.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:01):
Sacrilegious.

Candice Bond (00:15:02):
It's early, you guys.

Bob Simon (00:15:02):
It'd be sacrilegious. We're filming early, but people will be watching late.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:04):
It's never too early to drink booze. If your feet are on the ground, it's time to drink.

Candice Bond (00:15:08):
It's time to drink.

Bob Simon (00:15:09):
And you travel so much, the time zones don't even matter to you.

Candice Bond (00:15:12):
Yeah, no, I'm in one big...

Bob Simon (00:15:14):
You were in Peru yesterday.

Candice Bond (00:15:14):
I know. I love Peru.

Bob Simon (00:15:14):
Mauro, she was in Peru yesterday.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:17):
Peru?

Bob Simon (00:15:17):
Yeah, like Peru.

Candice Bond (00:15:22):
Okay. I did it.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:28):
I remember back when I was younger, the guys would always say, "This is from Peru."

Candice Bond (00:15:32):
Okay, so this is...

Bob Simon (00:15:34):
Oh, see, I don't get those jokes. Now I get those jokes.

Candice Bond (00:15:36):
Oh yeah, no, I would-

Mauro Fiore (00:15:37):
That's when I was younger.

Candice Bond (00:15:39):
Yeah. That was the younger stuff, that was the coca leaves are very, very potent there. Okay.

Mauro Fiore (00:15:43):
It's Peruvian, man.

Bob Simon (00:15:44):
I'm excited for this.

Candice Bond (00:15:45):
Okay, so this...

Bob Simon (00:15:46):
I saw this before we film, do you see this shit?

Mauro Fiore (00:15:48):
I saw this in a movie, this is Blanton's something Special.

Candice Bond (00:15:51):
It's the limited edition, apparently. It's from that La Maison du Whisky.

Bob Simon (00:15:55):
La Maison du Whisky.

Candice Bond (00:15:58):
Yes. So, this place made it for that winery, or that place.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:04):
Sounds French, but I don't know, I could be wrong.

Candice Bond (00:16:06):
But it's made in Kentucky, but they make this brand for the French.

Bob Simon (00:16:09):
Oh, yeah.

Candice Bond (00:16:09):
So anyways, it was there. But the story is, I was in Peru and I needed bourbon. And I'm like, "Kinty," who is the shaman that I work with, Kinty.

Bob Simon (00:16:18):
A shaman?

Candice Bond (00:16:19):
Yeah. Really...

Bob Simon (00:16:20):
I need a shaman.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:20):
We got to get into the whole shaman stuff-

Candice Bond (00:16:21):
He's so dope.

Mauro Fiore (00:16:21):
... at the end of this.

Candice Bond (00:16:23):
He's so dope. So, he said to me... I said, "Hey, what kind of bourbon would you like to drink if you wanted to drink bourbon?" He said, "We don't drink that in the jungle." And I said, "I know." He said, "But Candice, who do you want to give this spirit to?" He goes, "It's a spirit. It's made, and just like how I make the medicine, I make medicine special. And when you come, I make it really special. It's a special barrel that I make just for you."

Bob Simon (00:16:50):
I talk about this, I think spirits are for individuals.

Candice Bond (00:16:53):
That's why they're called spirits, because the alchemy, that's how it all started back in the day. So, he said, how did he say it? He said, "[foreign language 00:17:02]"

Bob Simon (00:17:01):
A spirit special for you.

Candice Bond (00:17:02):
And so he said I had to find a spirit special for you, because he asked about you and I told him about you. So, I went to the place and I said, "We need something that's only been made once." Only been made once, when the barrel was gone, it was gone. And this has got to be the only time he's going to drink this from this barrel, and it's got to be special. And so, I had to go on a mission, but I found it. And so, hopefully, it tastes good.

Bob Simon (00:17:28):
Yes.

Candice Bond (00:17:28):
Hopefully it tastes good.

Bob Simon (00:17:31):
This is the bland special edition, this was made, what, 2019? One barrel.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:35):
And this is a single barrel, that has the barrel number on it.

Bob Simon (00:17:37):
Yeah, this is...

Candice Bond (00:17:37):
You're probably going to have to help.

Bob Simon (00:17:37):
I've never seen this before, actually. We'll have to...

Candice Bond (00:17:37):
Yeah, it's a single barrel for sure. That part I know.

Bob Simon (00:17:37):
It tells you their warehouse-

Candice Bond (00:17:37):
They said there was only one barrel.

Bob Simon (00:17:37):
... the barrel number. I've never seen this one before.

Candice Bond (00:17:51):
It even looks cool, the way they wrote on it.

Mauro Fiore (00:17:53):
Well, they wrote down the info from the barrel, so this is a single barrel, so what's the proof on this, Bob?

Bob Simon (00:17:58):
It's a nunya.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:00):
None of my business?

Bob Simon (00:18:02):
I'll find it in a second. I don't have my glasses, so I can't see shit anymore.

Candice Bond (00:18:05):
I know, dude. My eyes have gone.

Bob Simon (00:18:06):
My eyes have gone the past two years.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:08):
That's 53 on the side there, so it would it be a 102 proof, something like that?

Bob Simon (00:18:12):
Well, it says 55 right here.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:14):
55. Okay, so it'd be a 100 and...

Bob Simon (00:18:16):
10.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:17):
110. That's hot.

Bob Simon (00:18:18):
It's a little stronger than what you said. Oh, look at the color of this. Mauro, bring your glass over here.

Candice Bond (00:18:22):
We're going to come in hot.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:23):
Real hot. The caramel, beautiful.

Candice Bond (00:18:27):
Oh, and he said have to wait. He said we have to cheers and we have to say a little special prayer before we drink.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:32):
Okay.

Candice Bond (00:18:33):
From the jungle.

Bob Simon (00:18:35):
Do you have the prayer ready? Oh, look at this.

Candice Bond (00:18:38):
It's just a very simple...

Bob Simon (00:18:40):
I think I'm going to leave this bottle on the table, because I'm infatuated with this. You know, in Blanton's, if you collect all the horses, they'll spell something and you get to put it on a board, but some can't be found. It's like the Monopoly McDonald's thing.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:52):
Yeah, these are like-

Candice Bond (00:18:52):
They look cool.

Bob Simon (00:18:52):
You couldn't get park place.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:52):
The horses are pieces to a puzzle...

Bob Simon (00:18:55):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:18:56):
For Blanton's, and then you can put them in a display case. Very cool.

Bob Simon (00:19:00):
That's awesome. That's going on my shelf in the whiskey.

Candice Bond (00:19:02):
I can fill it up with... After you drink it, give it to your wife, I bet she can make some really amazing body oil.

Bob Simon (00:19:08):
That's a good idea.

Candice Bond (00:19:09):
With flowers in it, and she can make a really pretty body oil for herself.

Bob Simon (00:19:12):
She's actually been formulating new oils and I get to test them.

Candice Bond (00:19:15):
Yeah. No, I don't sell them, but I always make little things. Okay, so he just said-

Bob Simon (00:19:20):
This smells so good.

Candice Bond (00:19:21):
He just said, all we have to say is, "This is to a spirit of greatness."

Bob Simon (00:19:22):
To a spirit of greatness.

Candice Bond (00:19:24):
We're drinking to a spirit of greatness.

Bob Simon (00:19:26):
Do you say it in Spanish, Mauro, for us?

Mauro Fiore (00:19:28):
[foreign language 00:19:30]

Candice Bond (00:19:38):
Yes, there we go. Cheers.

Bob Simon (00:19:38):
[foreign language 00:19:39]

Mauro Fiore (00:19:38):
[foreign language 00:19:39]

Bob Simon (00:19:38):
She's a beautiful one. Oh my God, that's fantastic.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:42):
Very smooth for a...

Bob Simon (00:19:43):
Wow.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:43):
For a 105 proof, it's very smooth.

Bob Simon (00:19:45):
So, compare this to the Bottled in Bond we just said, which is 50%.

Candice Bond (00:19:47):
Yes.

Bob Simon (00:19:48):
This is way smoother.

Candice Bond (00:19:49):
This is.

Bob Simon (00:19:50):
It's more prior proof.

Candice Bond (00:19:51):
I feel like I would get really drunk if I drank a lot of this.

Bob Simon (00:19:53):
Well, we can finish the bottle on this episode.

Mauro Fiore (00:19:54):
When it's single barrel, we won't be able to find another bottle with this character.

Candice Bond (00:20:04):
Right, exactly. Yeah, that's what he said.

Bob Simon (00:20:05):
This fantastic.

Candice Bond (00:20:06):
I had him explain it to me forever and he was like...

Mauro Fiore (00:20:08):
So, you better enjoy this one.

Candice Bond (00:20:10):
Yeah, this bottle is it.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:11):
We're not getting another one like it.

Bob Simon (00:20:12):
No, we can have some later.

Candice Bond (00:20:14):
I think they thought it was funny that I was like, "I don't drink bourbon, you guys," so all the men in the whole little store were coming to help me, even just strangers.

Bob Simon (00:20:21):
What's your spirit of choice?

Candice Bond (00:20:22):
I like Tequila.

Bob Simon (00:20:23):
Okay.

Candice Bond (00:20:24):
I'm going to drink. I like 1942, I don't even like it... I'm kind of a sure thing, I always like the same thing over and over. I'm like that with my car-

Mauro Fiore (00:20:33):
Bob's wife said tequila.

Bob Simon (00:20:33):
She's drinks a lot of tequila.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:35):
My wife likes tequila too, but you better clear out.

Candice Bond (00:20:40):
She turns spicy?

Bob Simon (00:20:41):
Spicy, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:43):
I don't know, you could call it spicy or homicidal.

Candice Bond (00:20:47):
It's the same. What's her nationality?

Mauro Fiore (00:20:49):
She's Mexican.

Candice Bond (00:20:52):
Oh, yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:52):
I think she would've been one of the Aztec warriors.

Candice Bond (00:20:54):
Hell yeah, she would.

Bob Simon (00:20:55):
She definitely would be.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:55):
Yeah, so when she drinks tequila, man, I'm her target too, unfortunately.

Candice Bond (00:20:59):
Y'all should come to one of my retreats and then she'll like that.

Mauro Fiore (00:20:59):
[inaudible 00:21:03] away from everyone, the tequila.

Bob Simon (00:21:03):
On his honeymoon that we alluded to we went to, there's a French reference because...

Mauro Fiore (00:21:09):
This guy and his French.

Bob Simon (00:21:11):
It was so funny though.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:12):
Okay, you can tell the story.

Bob Simon (00:21:13):
Mauro gone... The one morning she was so mad at him and wouldn't talk to him and we didn't know why. We didn't have a late night or anything, she was just like... Said, "Mauro, what was going on?" We were in Cyprus at the time.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:24):
No, we were in some place in the English countryside.

Bob Simon (00:21:28):
Oh, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:29):
We were in the English countryside someplace.

Bob Simon (00:21:30):
Whatever.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:30):
We went to a bunch of countries.

Bob Simon (00:21:32):
So, she was so mad and we were just like, "Something's going on." So, we had to ask, and she was like, "Yeah, in the middle of the night he just wakes up and says, 'Bring on the French whores.'" I was like, "Oh no, honey, he said French doors."

Candice Bond (00:21:45):
Oh, I was like horses. Horses.

Bob Simon (00:21:47):
No, we had to pivot. We had to pivot.

Candice Bond (00:21:48):
You had to think of something fast.

Bob Simon (00:21:48):
But he was dreaming.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:49):
We were getting doors in our house.

Candice Bond (00:21:49):
Oh, yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:49):
French doors.

Bob Simon (00:21:49):
He was dreaming.

Candice Bond (00:21:52):
He was dreaming.

Mauro Fiore (00:21:53):
She wasn't thrilled by my speaking.

Candice Bond (00:21:55):
Isn't it funny how people can get mad at you for what you say in your dreams? Or what they dream about you? They're like, "I dreamed you cheated on me." That was your dream, that wasn't me, that wasn't real.

Mauro Fiore (00:22:04):
I've been there.

Candice Bond (00:22:07):
That wasn't me, I didn't do it.

Bob Simon (00:22:08):
How closely are we to being able to watch people's dreams and analyze them, like live watch. That would be next level.

Candice Bond (00:22:14):
I'm obsessed with AI, I've always been.

Bob Simon (00:22:16):
I know.

Candice Bond (00:22:17):
AI's really how I built my whole-

Bob Simon (00:22:19):
You've been cutting edge. You've been on systems for a while. She's been on systems on steroids for a decade and people don't realize.

Candice Bond (00:22:25):
Yeah, my new one is really pretty and it's really doing everything I want. You know sometimes they don't do everything you want? It's doing everything I want. But AI, I didn't realize how... So, my friend that I was hanging out with last night, I didn't realize the writers' strike here.

Bob Simon (00:22:40):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (00:22:40):
And I didn't realize why. I realized there was a writers' strike, and obviously it's for more benefits or whatever, but I didn't realize it was because of AI. So, they're saying they're going to write their scripts and then the studios are going to run it through AI, and then just have them take two scripts that people-

Bob Simon (00:22:55):
Punch it up.

Candice Bond (00:22:55):
... and make it so they want something that says they're not going to put it in AI, and they're like, "No, we're not doing it."

Bob Simon (00:23:01):
You're going to see a lot more. There was one yesterday, whenever this comes out, but Sarah Silverman and a bunch of other people had sued Meta and some other folks, because they're doing exactly what they are, where they're taking their jokes and all these other things and just using AI, but that's their original stuff.

Candice Bond (00:23:16):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:23:17):
There's nothing you can do about that.

Candice Bond (00:23:20):
That's what they said, it's be copyright infringement.

Bob Simon (00:23:22):
Yeah. Exactly.

Candice Bond (00:23:23):
That's what's going to happen. That's what's going to happen, eventually.

Bob Simon (00:23:25):
Exactly.

Mauro Fiore (00:23:25):
I was on vacation. I was in Canada, and then I was in... Actually, I was in Martha's Vineyard by Boston.

Bob Simon (00:23:34):
You went to Chris Dolan's 60th, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:23:35):
Chris Dolan's 60th birthday party. And we landed at the airport and another friend of mine, who will remain nameless, also landed at the Martha's Vineyard Airport. And so he says, "Hey, well, jump in the cab with us, we're going to the same hotel." So, he gets in the cab and he says, "Man, I've been in trial, I've been this, I've been that. And I was supposed to write this article for a magazine on whatever topic. Man, I got to go write this article." I was like, "You don't have to write shit, man." I said, "Here. Do you have ChatGPT?"

Bob Simon (00:24:05):
Chat on, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:07):
And he's like, "No, I've never used that." I said, "Here, hold on. Hey, write me an article on blah, blah, blah," because I don't want to say what it is, but it's probably been published. I said, "How many words, dude?" He said, "5,000 words." 5,000 words. And I hit the button and then it just starts writing and then you can watch it.

Bob Simon (00:24:22):
Oh, yeah.

Candice Bond (00:24:23):
It's so crazy.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:24):
And then I said, "Here, what do you think of this?" He's like, "Wow. That's amazing."

Candice Bond (00:24:30):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:24:30):
See now, what you could have done-

Mauro Fiore (00:24:30):
"This is such a good article."

Bob Simon (00:24:31):
... you could have said, "I'll take care of you, give me an hour, give me $5,000, I got you."

Candice Bond (00:24:34):
I got you.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:37):
But then I told him, I said, "Dude, you need to read it and put your own spin on it."

Candice Bond (00:24:41):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:24:42):
"A little nip tuck, but you got the 90% of it's here for you."

Candice Bond (00:24:45):
Yeah, I play with it. I try to see what it'll do, like, "Write a demand letter." Not that we would, but I just say, "Write a demand letter that says we're going to sue them for bad faith in everything they have if they don't pay us a million dollars." And then ChatGPT says, "We do not do emotional things or threatening," something like that.

Bob Simon (00:25:00):
You got to ask in a different way.

Candice Bond (00:25:03):
I'm laughing, so we don't need them, but I just think it's funny of what they will do. Or I said, "Write my husband," which I don't have. "Write my husband a letter that says that I want visitation on these days and I'm not appreciating how he's coming late every time." And so it wrote this big thing about what days we need to switch on and how we need to be more on top of things. And I was like, "Well, there it is. If I had a husband, I would write him that letter."

Mauro Fiore (00:25:27):
I was actually trying to get it to do a PowerPoint for me.

Bob Simon (00:25:35):
There's ones that can do the slides-

Mauro Fiore (00:25:37):
And it said, we can't do PowerPoint or whatever, but I did some further digging on the internet, and the way you can ask it to give you the code for a PowerPoint. And then what you do is, then you put it into PowerPoint and then it does it. So, it can give you the code.

Candice Bond (00:25:52):
Yeah, you could even code software like that. They can give you the...

Mauro Fiore (00:25:55):
So, you can do PowerPoint with it.

Bob Simon (00:25:56):
And this is what Candice has been doing for a long time, so Candice is in 25 states?

Candice Bond (00:26:00):
Yes, 25.

Bob Simon (00:26:01):
Her and her firm are in 25 states, and Bond Legal is national.

Candice Bond (00:26:08):
Yeah, it is. It's as many as we can get in, and so Covid was a time where we were in maybe four states when that happened.

Bob Simon (00:26:19):
Wow, that fast?

Candice Bond (00:26:20):
No, when Covid happened, we had already been in those other states, but then when Covid happened, we had time to chill. And I was like, "Okay, systems and procedures, let's get the business model down that handles all the AI, that handles all the conversations and all the ethics, and let's talk to our ethics people, let's get the stamp of approval." Because that's really, once you have that foundation, you can wield 100 states.

Bob Simon (00:26:51):
And as we had a lot of discussions, Candice is big on ethics.

Candice Bond (00:26:53):
Yeah, it's my thing, to spend way too much money on it, probably.

Bob Simon (00:26:55):
Probably.

Candice Bond (00:26:56):
But it's my thing.

Bob Simon (00:26:57):
To make sure you're foolproof, overly sensitive about making sure that things are done on the high road.

Candice Bond (00:27:02):
But what's cool is that, I can go to them, now that we've been with them for so long, they're awesome, Holland & Knight, and they're a big firm.

Bob Simon (00:27:09):
Oh, they use Holland & Knight?

Candice Bond (00:27:10):
I used Holland & Knight, yeah. I still use them.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:12):
For ethics?

Candice Bond (00:27:13):
Mm-hmm (affirmative). They're good.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:15):
I don't know much about that stuff.

Candice Bond (00:27:16):
Yeah, but I go with them.

Bob Simon (00:27:18):
You're on the ethics panel, aren't you?

Mauro Fiore (00:27:19):
I know.

Candice Bond (00:27:19):
Oh my God.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:23):
No, I feel bad, because I spent most of Covid trying to perfect my sourdough recipe.

Candice Bond (00:27:30):
Did you get it good?

Mauro Fiore (00:27:30):
I was baking bread and... Really good, but I ran out of yeast and then it was like trying to find a needle in a haystack for more yeast.

Candice Bond (00:27:35):
I want to taste your bread.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:36):
Maybe I should have worked in my office a little. It might've been more profitable.

Candice Bond (00:27:41):
Well, I was pregnant, so I was stuck. I was stuck, and I'm going to give birth to two things. My baby and the software.

Bob Simon (00:27:48):
We all have kids the same, so early April, mid-April, June, we all have kids that were born in 2020.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:53):
My daughter was born April 5th, 2020, so it was right in-

Candice Bond (00:27:54):
Oh, me too.

Bob Simon (00:27:59):
Oh, God.

Mauro Fiore (00:27:59):
... the meat of Covid.

Bob Simon (00:28:00):
He was almost not allowed to go visit the baby at that point.

Candice Bond (00:28:02):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:28:04):
Yeah. No, they let me in the hospital until the baby was born, and they said, "After an hour, you have to leave." And I didn't even have to pay extra for them to throw me out.

Candice Bond (00:28:13):
Yeah, no, same. I was in there by myself.

Bob Simon (00:28:15):
You almost made me spit out this beautiful whiskey. Don't do it again.

Mauro Fiore (00:28:18):
Yeah, because my first kid was born before Covid, and I stayed in the hospital for 24 hours or two days.

Candice Bond (00:28:24):
Yeah. It's part of the...

Mauro Fiore (00:28:26):
And even then, my wife was like, "You were sleeping half the time," and all this. It's like, "Well, okay." And I was just-

Candice Bond (00:28:32):
But I was laying next to my baby's energy.

Mauro Fiore (00:28:34):
Yes, but then during this April of '20 baby, I had to leave right away.

Bob Simon (00:28:38):
Was Justice born here or Texas?

Candice Bond (00:28:39):
Here at Hoag.

Bob Simon (00:28:41):
Oh, nice.

Candice Bond (00:28:41):
Yeah, here at Hoag, and I had a beautiful pregnancy, but my birth was hard, because I don't know, they just wanted me to go fast, they induced me, so it was like four days that I was in labor. And then finally...

Bob Simon (00:28:57):
What?

Candice Bond (00:28:57):
It was crazy.

Bob Simon (00:28:57):
Four days?

Candice Bond (00:28:57):
I was by myself too because of Covid. At first I thought it was just going to be this... So, I had this Beyonce outfit on, because I was like, "I'm going to birth this baby with this beautiful outfit on and this hair thing." But no, it wasn't like that, it was very gnarly. I wouldn't dilate and they were just trying to make me dilate, so they were just doing it, trying, trying, trying. And by the fourth day I was like, "This can't be healthy for either one of us."

Bob Simon (00:29:23):
We were talking about what happened when you were 12 and 16, how your family was taken advantage of, and you've probably seen it a few times after that.

Candice Bond (00:29:29):
Right.

Bob Simon (00:29:30):
If you weren't who you were, we see this all the time with our clients, they're catastrophically taken advantage of in hospitals with things like this.

Candice Bond (00:29:37):
Oh, yeah. Well, that's what was funny, is that I was just like everybody else. When Covid happened, they didn't care. Nobody was jumping through hoops for anybody. So, I felt what everybody, normal human, feels during that period. And I was able to say, "This is what we're all dealing with, I guess." Because I had no special privileges. I allegedly did. I had, allegedly, a special privilege room.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:06):
Especially in California where the med mal laws have been so Draconian for so long, the doctors literally would just laugh at you.

Candice Bond (00:30:13):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:14):
Like, "Go ahead and sue me. Fuck you."

Candice Bond (00:30:15):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:16):
You wouldn't, because you couldn't even get anything from him. But now that the laws are slowly changing now, the doctors aren't going to be so ballsy. And a lot of my friends are doctors, I'm not trying to insult anybody, but lots of doctors, for many years, have been very ballsy-

Candice Bond (00:30:28):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:29):
... like they're 10 feet tall and bulletproof. We can fuck up, we can do whatever. In California, here's 250 grand, get lost.

Candice Bond (00:30:34):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:34):
You know what I mean?

Candice Bond (00:30:35):
Oh, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:36):
But not anymore. Pretty soon they're going to be held accountable in this state.

Bob Simon (00:30:39):
And one good hack that we learned with our third baby is, if you get a... They have these private nurses now, which they're not crazy expensive, but it's for what you're going to get returned-

Candice Bond (00:30:49):
But they're at the hospital with you?

Bob Simon (00:30:51):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (00:30:51):
Oh, that's nice.

Bob Simon (00:30:51):
So, you bring your private nurse and they know everybody there, usually used to work there, they make sure that shit fucking happens. Don't steal the bottle, Mauro, Jesus Christ.

Mauro Fiore (00:30:57):
Yeah, I think if something happens.

Candice Bond (00:31:02):
Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's nice. That's nice, yeah. I had a doula, but she couldn't come into the hospital.

Bob Simon (00:31:06):
Get a doula, same thing.

Candice Bond (00:31:07):
So, she had to wait until we came out.

Bob Simon (00:31:09):
Doula had to wait downstairs, pick up the placenta, do all these things.

Candice Bond (00:31:12):
I know.

Bob Simon (00:31:12):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (00:31:13):
I know, I can't wait to have that placenta one day.

Mauro Fiore (00:31:14):
People barbecue the placenta and eat it, because it does look like a tri-tip when you see it.

Bob Simon (00:31:20):
I didn't even look at it. You can actually make it into little pills, Christine and my wife did that, where you can...

Mauro Fiore (00:31:23):
You've never seen one? It looks like a tri-tip, it just falls out, it's pretty crazy.

Candice Bond (00:31:26):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:31:27):
I almost passed out.

Mauro Fiore (00:31:28):
People barbecue and then they eat it.

Bob Simon (00:31:29):
I delivered our last baby and I was like... I was almost that guy.

Candice Bond (00:31:32):
They had the smelling salts, they're like, "Man down! Man down!"

(00:31:37):
Oh my God, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:31:37):
We are the weaker species.

Candice Bond (00:31:39):
No, but it's gnarly, it's barbaric. And I'm not one to be afraid of surgery, I've gone into a lot of my friends', back in the day when I thought I was so cool and I just started practicing, I'd go to surgeries. I wanted to see the surgeries of my clients.

Bob Simon (00:31:52):
Shit.

Candice Bond (00:31:53):
So, I'd go into the surgeries and I'd see them, so when I talked about it, I could tell the jury, "I was there," and all this stuff. And so, I was really gnarly.

Bob Simon (00:32:02):
We flash forward to when you had... This was three years ago, this was 2020, when you had Justice, but there's a lot happening between there. So, Candice Bond came from Louisiana.

Candice Bond (00:32:10):
Yes.

Bob Simon (00:32:11):
16 years old, GED, to New Orleans.

Candice Bond (00:32:15):
To New Orleans.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:16):
Finds her way to college somehow. Did you get a scholarship or what happened?

Candice Bond (00:32:18):
Yeah. No, I didn't get a scholarship, I got grants.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:22):
Okay.

Candice Bond (00:32:22):
But I went to HBCU, so I went to a school named Dillard.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:26):
Historically Black College and University.

Candice Bond (00:32:28):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:29):
See how smart I am?

Bob Simon (00:32:29):
Wow, I didn't even know that.

Candice Bond (00:32:30):
Yes, I went to HBCU.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:31):
HBCU.

Candice Bond (00:32:32):
Because I went to church there.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:33):
I used to gamble a lot on Grambling football, so I know.

Bob Simon (00:32:36):
I actually know Gram, okay. The Swack, they were the Swack.

Candice Bond (00:32:38):
Yeah, it's good.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:39):
So, you went to one of these Historically Black Colleges?

Candice Bond (00:32:42):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:42):
What was it called?

Candice Bond (00:32:42):
Yes. Dillard.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:44):
Dillard, okay.

Candice Bond (00:32:44):
Dillard University, yes. And I loved it.

Bob Simon (00:32:46):
I know their shopping malls in the South.

Candice Bond (00:32:48):
Yeah, I loved it, it was very... They take everything-

Mauro Fiore (00:32:51):
Well, was the school mostly Black?

Candice Bond (00:32:54):
All.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:54):
Oh, really?

Candice Bond (00:32:55):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:32:56):
I don't know, because I know for sure that somebody's, Grambling and stuff, they usually have a white quarterback and things.

Candice Bond (00:33:02):
Yeah, no. Back then, Lil Wayne actually was in our class and he would rap, it was when he was still chubby and he would just rap and he was super cool and his mom was like, "You're not quitting college for this." And then, of course, he did.

Mauro Fiore (00:33:16):
You got a degree there, and what did you get your degree in?

Candice Bond (00:33:19):
Criminal justice.

Mauro Fiore (00:33:21):
Oh, nice.

Bob Simon (00:33:21):
Me too. Criminal justice. What was your undergrad?

Mauro Fiore (00:33:22):
I don't have one.

Bob Simon (00:33:22):
Oh, that's right.

Candice Bond (00:33:26):
Criminal justice. See, this is what the thing is. Now, these days, our kids, we want them to go to these good schools and we want to do, and then they look at us.

Bob Simon (00:33:31):
I don't think it's going to exist.

Candice Bond (00:33:31):
I know.

Bob Simon (00:33:31):
I don't think schools are going to exist when our kids are old.

Candice Bond (00:33:37):
I don't know what's going to happen. I know. What's going to happen?

Mauro Fiore (00:33:39):
Yeah, what is the value of a four-year degree anymore? I don't know.

Bob Simon (00:33:44):
For me, it was learning social skills, meeting people.

Candice Bond (00:33:46):
Right.

Bob Simon (00:33:47):
Because we grew up with nothing, you go to a school, you too.

Candice Bond (00:33:50):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:33:50):
I went there to... I was the poorest kid everywhere we went, you're just making connections.

Candice Bond (00:33:54):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:33:54):
I don't know what celebrities, but there's a big celebrity that, there's a video on Instagram, they always show it. I want to say it might be Tom Cruise or somebody where he says, "You know what a four-year degree does for you? It just shows people that you can show up, get stuff done for four years, get there, do it, fall in line, listen to directions."

Bob Simon (00:34:18):
It sounds like a military.

Candice Bond (00:34:18):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:34:18):
So, it's like, "At least you're there and you did it."

Candice Bond (00:34:19):
It is, but isn't that life?

Mauro Fiore (00:34:21):
It just shows people that you can do it.

Candice Bond (00:34:22):
We first have to have that stability and balance so we can be in balance. If we want to go on a hiatus or something, we first though have to get that foundation.

Bob Simon (00:34:26):
You have to have the stability to be unstable.

Candice Bond (00:34:26):
Yeah, to be unbalanced if you want to sometimes. But you always have to come back to your core and to who you are, especially now that we have children, because the children, little sponges, and everything that we feel... So, I'm a Reiki practitioner now, and now I do Reiki. I only do it to people that I love, I don't have clout.

Bob Simon (00:34:55):
You know what Reiki is?

Mauro Fiore (00:34:55):
Reiki is the crystals and stuff, right?

Bob Simon (00:34:57):
No.

Mauro Fiore (00:34:58):
Or the salt?

Candice Bond (00:34:58):
No, it's energy healing.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:00):
Because I went to one time, where was I? I can't remember, I was in some random-

Bob Simon (00:35:02):
You were a milk bath. It's completely different.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:06):
I was in some random country and I went to a Reiki, into a cave.

Candice Bond (00:35:09):
Oh, that's probably cool.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:10):
It was like a rock formation cave, I went in the cave.

Bob Simon (00:35:15):
I can't believe he actually knows this stuff.

Candice Bond (00:35:18):
Oh no, that's cool. That's cool.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:22):
You know that I'm-

Bob Simon (00:35:22):
Out of this world.

Candice Bond (00:35:22):
You like to try things.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:22):
You know I know a little bit about a lot, but I don't really know much, but I know a little bit about everything.

Bob Simon (00:35:25):
Yeah, this is true, buddy.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:27):
Because I drank a lot of booze and talked a lot of shit.

Candice Bond (00:35:30):
Yeah, exactly. That's how you learn.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:30):
If you go into bars and get drunk and just talk to random people like I do, you can learn all kinds of stuff.

Candice Bond (00:35:35):
Oh yeah, all kinds of stuff.

Bob Simon (00:35:36):
Yeah, it's true.

Candice Bond (00:35:36):
You can, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:35:39):
I've learned crazy stuff from just drunks at bars. Or if you just hang out with Keith Bremer. He knows a lot about everything, especially when he's drunk, he really drops knowledge.

Candice Bond (00:35:51):
He drops knowledge. It happens sometimes.

Bob Simon (00:35:54):
So, Candice comes. So, how did you get to... You end up going to law school in San Diego.

Candice Bond (00:35:59):
Right.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:00):
How did you end up in San Diego?

Bob Simon (00:36:02):
How did you get to San Diego?

Candice Bond (00:36:04):
So, I was at the gym at Dillard, and I wasn't really even thinking about law school. The fire alarm went off, and this lady walked out and I saw her and she was all fancy, and she had all this luggage and I was like, "Oh, can I help you?" And she's like, "Yeah." I was like, "It's just an alarm, it's going to go back in. Why are you here?" She's like, "I'm here for a Career Day, you're not coming?" And I was like, "Oh no, I'm leaving." And she's like, "Well, I'm here from California Western School, and why don't you talk to me?" So, I did, and long story short, she wrote me a note that said, "Thank you for saving me from the fire," and gave me a full scholarship.

Bob Simon (00:36:41):
Get the fuck out of here.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:42):
Damn.

Candice Bond (00:36:43):
Yeah, so I went to San Diego. My uncle lived there who was like my father, so that was great, and I was in San Diego, so I drove my-

Mauro Fiore (00:36:50):
Cal Western is right in the gas lamp, right?

Candice Bond (00:36:52):
Yeah, I loved it. I drove my little Nissan Ultimate.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:54):
I never would've graduated if I went to that law school.

Bob Simon (00:36:55):
Nissan Ultimate.

Mauro Fiore (00:36:56):
I would've been partying.

Candice Bond (00:36:57):
Yeah. Do you remember those?

Bob Simon (00:36:57):
I do.

Candice Bond (00:37:00):
It was white with tinted black windows and it had the big speakers, well, from the south, and then the little thing, and you popped out the radio.

Bob Simon (00:37:07):
Oh, the pop-out radio.

Candice Bond (00:37:07):
Yeah, right? It was expensive, you didn't want people to steal it.

Bob Simon (00:37:09):
Steal it. Oh, people stole. I had one of those in my old truck, in my S-10. People still stole that shit. They still got it.

Candice Bond (00:37:21):
It's crazy.

Bob Simon (00:37:21):
Removable face. Click a button, take it out.

Candice Bond (00:37:22):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:23):
I had a Nissan Pulsar, remember those?

Bob Simon (00:37:25):
No.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:25):
The two door?

Candice Bond (00:37:25):
No.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:25):
It was like a...

Bob Simon (00:37:27):
You were never in a two-door.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:28):
I was. I should get some pictures from when I was younger.

Bob Simon (00:37:35):
I would love to see. I always call him out and then he'll send me a text two hours later, he finds a picture of something I said was bullshit.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:40):
Yes, I was a...

Candice Bond (00:37:40):
I believe him.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:40):
I was more in shape. I was more of a svelte, as they say.

Bob Simon (00:37:45):
Svelte.

Candice Bond (00:37:45):
Svelt.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:46):
Svelte, as they say, but I've gradually become more of what they call a bigger man. More of a bear type.

Candice Bond (00:37:55):
Bears are good.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:56):
I'm more of a bear.

Bob Simon (00:37:56):
He an otter.

Candice Bond (00:37:56):
Bears are good.

Mauro Fiore (00:37:56):
I'm more of an otter?

Candice Bond (00:37:56):
Otter.

Bob Simon (00:37:56):
He's an otter.

Candice Bond (00:37:56):
Otter.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:00):
It's just the bottom line is, I'm sexy, it doesn't matter.

Candice Bond (00:38:02):
Yeah, hey, it's all about the confidence.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:04):
Yeah. I know that I'm sexy.

Bob Simon (00:38:06):
Actually, I think that's the number one. You have confidence and a little bit of knowledge, you can get through just fine.

Candice Bond (00:38:10):
Yes. That's why we have to teach the kids. We have to teach the children that. God.

Bob Simon (00:38:15):
Be bold.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:15):
Well, I will say, as Bob will agree with me, I'm sure you will agree with me. Being a parent is probably the most important job we have.

Candice Bond (00:38:24):
It's it.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:25):
That's it. The most important job.

Candice Bond (00:38:27):
It's it.

Mauro Fiore (00:38:28):
To me, that's the most important job.

Candice Bond (00:38:30):
Because you can't really mess up. You can't have a plan and go, "I'm just going to move to Peru. This sounds beautiful, we'll do this for a couple of days, kid. A couple of years." No, you have to have a plan, you have to execute your plan, and you have this... So, for me, when I went to Dallas and he started private school there, and he's really good and he loves social stuff, he's the only child, so he loves going and hanging out. But for Dallas, we can't play sports, it's too hot.

Bob Simon (00:38:58):
Too hot or too cold or too icy.

Candice Bond (00:39:01):
So, I'm like, "I don't know if he's going to play sports." He could be like a... I don't know, he likes to sing, I don't know what he's going to do, I don't really care. I'll hopefully have him set up so he's fine regardless. But if it was going to be sports, we wouldn't have done it, because he can't do it. He was in there, "Mommy, I want to buy watermelon." I have his little watermelon there like, "This kid's so spoiled." I'm like, "No, he's not from the south." Because he was born here, so if you're from Texas, they're fine. They're like, "We're cool."

Bob Simon (00:39:29):
When I grew up in Western Pennsylvania, I quit football, because we have to do two days in August. If you did two days, you could do it in this type of weather, but-

Candice Bond (00:39:36):
Oh, yeah, football two days.

Bob Simon (00:39:37):
It's crazy.

Candice Bond (00:39:37):
In all that stuff, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:39:38):
With all the humidity, and I remember I was like, "This is stupid. There's no reason you should be doing it."

Mauro Fiore (00:39:44):
I did that, I played football in high school in Southern California, which, for people who aren't from here, people think, "Oh, California, the weather's great. LA, the weather's great."

Candice Bond (00:39:54):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:39:54):
Listen, the weather's great at the beach.

Candice Bond (00:39:57):
Yeah, exactly.

Mauro Fiore (00:39:58):
Where Bob lives, Bob posted some shit the other day just to piss me off, because I live in fucking Hollywood.

Bob Simon (00:40:04):
75 and sunny every day with no humidity.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:05):
I live in Hollywood Hills.

Candice Bond (00:40:06):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:07):
You know what the difference in temperature is from Hollywood Hills to Manhattan Beach in August? Like 40 degrees. It's 78 at Bob's House in August, and it's 110 at my house.

Candice Bond (00:40:18):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:19):
So, it's hot here. California's hot.

Candice Bond (00:40:21):
You got to go to Dallas. We just got to do you a few, just two days of you... That's what you should film. Two days of him in Dallas and whiskey and let him...

Bob Simon (00:40:30):
Oh, we should do a traveling Mauro show.

Candice Bond (00:40:31):
Let let him do...

Bob Simon (00:40:33):
Actually, we're going to do the Houston Whiskey Social we're going to in November.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:35):
With that guy. You know what kind of sweating I will do, Bob?

Candice Bond (00:40:37):
Oh, no, it's going to be a whole... You're going to be able to make a bottle.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:40):
JC, can you get someone, if I go to Houston, I need an IV person on...

Bob Simon (00:40:44):
A fan. Remember that guy that used to carry around... Who was it? P. Diddy, the guy with the umbrella?

Candice Bond (00:40:52):
Oh, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:54):
Fonzworth Bentley.

Bob Simon (00:40:54):
Wow, so he does know a lot of stuff.

Candice Bond (00:40:56):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:56):
And, as a matter of fact-

Candice Bond (00:40:56):
He does, he's a knowledge guy.

Mauro Fiore (00:40:56):
As a matter of fact, I have Fonzworth Bentley's book at my house.

Bob Simon (00:41:01):
He wrote a book?

Mauro Fiore (00:41:02):
It's called How to Be a Gentleman. It is one of the most incredible books. You wouldn't think Fonzworth Bentley would've been so knowledgeable, but the guy was truly like a renaissance man. And he tells you how to dress, how to eat.

Candice Bond (00:41:15):
I love that book.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:16):
Yeah. I'll send you this book.

Candice Bond (00:41:17):
I'll get it for my son.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:18):
If you don't have it, I'll send you one, it's called-

Candice Bond (00:41:19):
I'll read it to him.

Bob Simon (00:41:20):
I've never known he-

Mauro Fiore (00:41:20):
The guy is truly, Fonzworth Bentley, the reason why he was Diddy's butler, is because the guy was the most incredible... He knew how to do everything.

Candice Bond (00:41:32):
Yeah, Diddy does hang with elevated folks.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:32):
Yeah, Fonzworth Bentley's the best.

Candice Bond (00:41:32):
He does.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:32):
More of my useless knowledge.

Bob Simon (00:41:36):
Speaking of useless knowledge, but useful for the show, start your last bottle, because I want to get to Candice comes here to law school, full ride.

Candice Bond (00:41:44):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:41:45):
Before you start introducing, we're going to start talking about this. Candice then goes to the DA's office.

Mauro Fiore (00:41:49):
Wow.

Candice Bond (00:41:49):
Public Defender.

Bob Simon (00:41:50):
You didn't know this, DA's office in Orange County.

Candice Bond (00:41:54):
Public Defender.

Bob Simon (00:41:55):
Public defender, sorry. I don't want to insult you-

Candice Bond (00:41:57):
Yeah, please don't insult me.

Bob Simon (00:41:58):
The DA's got shit teed up. It was no budget, bad cases.

Candice Bond (00:42:03):
Oh, they can dismiss. So, when you meet a DA and they're like, "I'm 99.99% success rate." You're like, "Because you dismiss everyone that you think has any thought of losing."

Bob Simon (00:42:13):
Correct.

Candice Bond (00:42:13):
So, when you're a criminal attorney and you're really winning, like public defender, you're really winning.

Bob Simon (00:42:20):
So, going from that...

Candice Bond (00:42:21):
I love it here.

Bob Simon (00:42:22):
Public Defenders is the most altruistic thing you could do as a lawyer.

Candice Bond (00:42:25):
Yes, absolutely. And I think if my son, I don't know if he wants to be a lawyer.

Bob Simon (00:42:30):
His name is Justice Bond.

Candice Bond (00:42:31):
Yes, but if he does, I will make him go to be a Public Defender.

Bob Simon (00:42:36):
Awesome.

Candice Bond (00:42:36):
For at least two years like I did.

Mauro Fiore (00:42:37):
I've known lots of good trial lawyers, PI lawyers that worked in the Public Defender's office, and they always say it was an incredible experience. Bob, have I ever told you my story about the DA's office?

Bob Simon (00:42:48):
Is this when you were charged?

Mauro Fiore (00:42:49):
No, no, not when I was... Those charges were dismissed. No, but I was a intern in the DA's office in San Bernardino.

Bob Simon (00:43:01):
What? You?

Mauro Fiore (00:43:02):
When I was in my third year, last year of law school. So, I was at the DA's office in San Bernardino. And there was like 10 people from all these law schools, all these prestigious law schools, they were in the DA's office. And I whizzled my way in there somehow, even though I went to an unaccredited night school in Inglewood.

Candice Bond (00:43:21):
Yeah. You got it.

Mauro Fiore (00:43:21):
So, I went to some shitty school, but I got in there. And so, all of us, all 10 of these people were from UCLA, USC, all the good schools, Hastings, all of them. All 10 of us took the bar, I'm the only one who passed.

Bob Simon (00:43:35):
No, really?

Mauro Fiore (00:43:37):
All failed.

Bob Simon (00:43:37):
So, by default.

Mauro Fiore (00:43:38):
Yeah, they all failed. So, then the guy who was our program coordinator was like, "Well, do you want to be a DA?" I'm like, "Well, shit, I have no other prospects. What the hell, okay, I'll be a DA." So, they hired me to be a DA.

Bob Simon (00:43:51):
What? You were DA?

Mauro Fiore (00:43:51):
Well, I'll tell you the story. So, they hired me to be a DA, so then I had to do a nine-week training program.

Candice Bond (00:43:59):
Yeah, you have to do the training.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:01):
So, I did the nine-week training program in San Bernardino downtown. At the time, I lived in Diamond Bar, which is, from Diamond Bar to San Bernardino is like-

Bob Simon (00:44:08):
And you have diamonds. No bars, but diamonds.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:10):
... maybe a 40-minute drive.

Candice Bond (00:44:11):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:12):
So, I was 40 minutes to San Bernardino, that was good. So, I did the nine weeks, and then they said, "Okay, well we're going to assign you to Victorville. And this was in the late '90s.

Candice Bond (00:44:22):
Rough.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:23):
And they said, "We're going to send you to Victorville to do misdemeanor bullshit." And the pay was 40...

Candice Bond (00:44:29):
Oh, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:30):
$46,000 a year, and I was going to Victorville.

Candice Bond (00:44:34):
Oh, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:34):
So, I remember I talked to my dad. My dad was a very smart guy. I said, "Dad, what do you think? Should I go to Victorville for $46,000?" He's like, "Are you fucking kidding? I'd go work at Home Depot first."

Candice Bond (00:44:45):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:46):
So, I called the guy, but I said, "Listen, the only way I'll work is if you assign me to Chino Hills," which was Chino, which is San Bernardino, which is an hour and a half from Victorville, but San Bernardino's a big county.

Candice Bond (00:44:58):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:44:59):
They're like, "Well, their openings in San Bernardino is in Victorville." I said, "I'm not taking it." They said, "Okay, well, then you're fired." I said, "Okay, no problem."

Candice Bond (00:45:08):
You're like, "I haven't even started."

Mauro Fiore (00:45:09):
And they're like, "You don't want to be a District-" They were so shocked that I didn't want to be a District Attorney in Victorville, after I spent nine weeks in there as training, but I want to go to Victorville.

Candice Bond (00:45:18):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:18):
Who wants to go to Victorville for 40 grand?

Candice Bond (00:45:20):
You're like, "You didn't tell me that in the nine weeks."

Mauro Fiore (00:45:23):
So, I quit. So, I actually never prosecuted a case, but I was, I guess, hired by them.

Bob Simon (00:45:28):
Well, you're trained.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:29):
Actually, now that I look back at it, I should have done it for six months or something.

Candice Bond (00:45:32):
Just to get in, yeah.

Bob Simon (00:45:33):
Yeah, but you wouldn't have been in the place where you were at the same time.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:35):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:45:36):
Don't disrupt the continuum, we talked about this.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:38):
Yeah, so I didn't do it.

Bob Simon (00:45:39):
Mauro, what do you got here today?

Mauro Fiore (00:45:40):
Okay.

(00:45:44):
So, Candice is someone who came from a place where she had to fight for everything she has.

Candice Bond (00:45:52):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:45:52):
She had to come up from... She doesn't have pedigree, like Bob, that's why me and Bob get along so well. We've got no fucking pedigree.

Candice Bond (00:45:59):
No pedigree.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:00):
I got no pedigree, we got nothing, you get there from your crawling and punching and fighting. So, this is called Left Cross Puncher's Chance. This is a 14-year aged bourbon.

Candice Bond (00:46:12):
Beautiful.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:13):
And it's aged in a Jamaican rum cask, so it gives it a little bit of that rum taste.

Candice Bond (00:46:18):
Nice.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:19):
But the thing that why we picked this one for you, is that their motto for Left Cross, is they're inspired by two great American traditions, drinking whiskey and fighting for what we believe in and fighting for justice.

Candice Bond (00:46:34):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:34):
That is the Puncher's Chance. And also, there is a tiger on the bottle, which tiger's my spirit animal, I'm wearing my tiger socks.

Candice Bond (00:46:43):
Oh, yeah, you have to, that is your spirit animal.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:43):
It's my spirit animal. So, let's drink this one in honor of Candice.

Candice Bond (00:46:46):
Absolutely.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:46):
Puncher's Chance bourbon.

Candice Bond (00:46:48):
Thank you. I'm going to get that one just because I love the story.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:51):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (00:46:51):
Yeah. We're going to see if it's good, because we've never had this.

Mauro Fiore (00:46:53):
I've never had it. This one just drew us to you.

Candice Bond (00:46:59):
Drew us. It was an energy, it was my Reiki. My Reiki drew that in.

Bob Simon (00:47:04):
Mauro and I didn't even talk-

Candice Bond (00:47:05):
Cheers.

Bob Simon (00:47:06):
... and we got bottles. Cheers. Cilantro.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:08):
Cheers.

Bob Simon (00:47:09):
Mauro, I thought yours had the lipstick on it, but I guessed wrong.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:11):
Oh no, I'm not wearing any.

Candice Bond (00:47:13):
Not today.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:13):
Usually I wear some lipstick.

Candice Bond (00:47:14):
Not today. Today's your lipstick day off.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:17):
Let me see. How's the rum cask? What does it do to you?

Bob Simon (00:47:20):
It's very good.

Candice Bond (00:47:20):
What does it do to you?

Bob Simon (00:47:21):
But after tasting the one that Candice brought, I don't taste the rum. Maybe after this-

Candice Bond (00:47:28):
It has a punch.

Bob Simon (00:47:29):
It's pretty good.

Candice Bond (00:47:29):
That's why it's called Puncher's Chance.

Mauro Fiore (00:47:31):
This is good, it's 14 years, so it's going to be mellow.

Bob Simon (00:47:33):
Yeah, in 14 years, and then your firm now is 15 years old.

Candice Bond (00:47:37):
It is.

Bob Simon (00:47:37):
So, almost as old as your firm.

Candice Bond (00:47:38):
It is.

Bob Simon (00:47:38):
Just a youngin'. Just a young pup.

Candice Bond (00:47:38):
It's funny, the things you get excited about when you get older. You have the same case managers there and staff there that have been there for 10 plus years. It's funny how that just makes you happy. You know what I mean? Different things make you happy as you grow and you're like, "Man, these people really like me. They really like me, they really want to have my back." It hasn't been easy. And so, for everyone just to have my back is such a love for them, you know what I mean? And it's like a love for their family, that I want them to be successful.

Bob Simon (00:48:16):
Since you're in 25 states now, before Covid about four, and to have this national practice where Candice Bond could be anywhere.

Candice Bond (00:48:24):
Yes.

Bob Simon (00:48:24):
You were in Peru this weekend.

Candice Bond (00:48:26):
Right.

Bob Simon (00:48:28):
Have Dallas, California.

Candice Bond (00:48:29):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:48:30):
You're living in Dallas right now, full-time?

Candice Bond (00:48:33):
I do Dallas and California, about half-and-half.

Bob Simon (00:48:36):
Yeah. Mostly in Texas.

Candice Bond (00:48:38):
Mostly in Texas. Oh my God, did I tell you the snake story?

Mauro Fiore (00:48:41):
Hmm-mm. (negative)

Bob Simon (00:48:41):
No.

Candice Bond (00:48:42):
Oh, God. Okay, so this is what's making me want to maybe come to California a little bit more. Okay.

Bob Simon (00:48:48):
Oh, God.

Candice Bond (00:48:48):
Yes. No, it's really scary. So, my mom and son, I don't know why, I was upstairs and they screamed really loud. So, they come inside and my mom has ice, and she's pelting this ice at something. And I'm like, "What is this?" So, I look and it's right outside and it's this thick, six-foot, this happened like three weeks ago, venomous water moccasin.

Bob Simon (00:49:13):
Get the hell out.

Candice Bond (00:49:13):
Black.

Bob Simon (00:49:13):
Nope.

Candice Bond (00:49:16):
And I said, "Mom, how did this even happen?" She goes, "Justice went to go grab his toy outside." And she goes, "I saw this thing move, and then I grabbed Justice." So, the thing was coming from my child. So, I was like, "Okay, all right. So, I know what we think about snakes in Peru, but this one's got to go. It's trying to kill my son." So, I got on my little golf cart and I went to all the neighbors, in my pajamas, knocked on all these doors, asked people for a shovel. So, I asked this one lady, and she's like, "I just moved here, I don't have a shovel, call the police." I'm like, "The police are not going to come for a snake."

(00:49:45):
And so, finally, one guy was like, "Here's a shovel." He had his kids, he is like, "Watch my kids for a minute and I'll go get you the shovel." I said, "I got you." So, I watched his kids, he brought me the shovel, and he said, "Should I go? Do you need me to help?" I said, "No, this is between me and that snake." And so, I go in there and I have the shovel, and I go outside and I put my speaker on and I put Jay-Z on really loud. And I get this to-

Bob Simon (00:50:09):
What song, do you remember? It's from Blueprint, right? His best album?

Candice Bond (00:50:13):
No, it was 90... It was the one he was first born, The Black Album.

Bob Simon (00:50:19):
Oh, okay.

Candice Bond (00:50:19):
So, it was The Black Album. It was December-

Mauro Fiore (00:50:20):
New York, New York, the Big City of Dreams.

Candice Bond (00:50:22):
December, whatever his birthday is, December 9th, that first song, I was born on this... Anyway, that was my song, and so it was playing and I had my little speaker and my mom and my baby are watching from the window. And I have the shovel and it's under this couch outside. And so, I was like, "Okay, pray." Because I'm imagining, I haven't really killed anything before, and it's big, so its face is probably this big.

Mauro Fiore (00:50:45):
Jesus.

Candice Bond (00:50:46):
So, I'm like, "When we fight, I'm here to fight, this is about to be a fight, I'm going to have to cut its head off." So, I prayed and I was like, "Oh my God, what do I do?" And I was like, "Kinty said put tobacco lines." Because in Peru, we put tobacco lines all over our bungalows so the snakes don't come in. And so, I ran upstairs and I got some stuff that Kinty gave me for snakes, and I ran it across the step and the little thing, not little, big, boom, went back into the water, because I live on a lake.

Bob Simon (00:51:14):
Really?

Candice Bond (00:51:15):
It went back into the water. And it was big. Evan, actually-

Mauro Fiore (00:51:19):
As soon as it smelled the tobacco?

Candice Bond (00:51:20):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (00:51:20):
They hate tobacco?

Candice Bond (00:51:21):
I guess. And so, when Evan had texted me, he goes, "Oh, that was so funny, I thought that was a real snake outside." I was like, "It was!"

Mauro Fiore (00:51:28):
It's like vampires hate garlic.

Candice Bond (00:51:30):
But Kinty's so funny. So, Kinty texts me, he said, I put it on Instagram.

Bob Simon (00:51:33):
The shaman?

Candice Bond (00:51:34):
My shaman. He texts me on Instagram and says, "Good job, sister. You passed the test."

Mauro Fiore (00:51:39):
Give us a two-minute version of what's the shaman.

Candice Bond (00:51:41):
And I said, "What's the test?"

Mauro Fiore (00:51:42):
Tell us about the shaman and how the shaman's involved?

Bob Simon (00:51:44):
Wait, I want to finish this. What's the test?

Candice Bond (00:51:46):
So, the test that he said, "Snake represents your past." And he said, "And you had a choice to kill it or to make peace with it." He's like, "And you made peace with it and it left."

Bob Simon (00:51:57):
Wow.

Mauro Fiore (00:51:58):
Tell us about-

Bob Simon (00:51:58):
Mauro had a different shovel story with a vagrant that made it into his backyard.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:03):
Well, that's true. And also, when I was single, I kept a shovel in the trunk of my car, but usually it scared the girls away.

Bob Simon (00:52:09):
He also had some duct tape and a garbage bag.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:12):
I had duct tape, a mask, and a shovel, but it wasn't great for my dating.

Candice Bond (00:52:16):
Well, at least you didn't have the rope. The rope would've been a dead giveaway.

Bob Simon (00:52:21):
Man.

Candice Bond (00:52:22):
Yeah. So yeah, that snake, that was about three weeks ago, that really got me. That got me.

Mauro Fiore (00:52:27):
Is there snakes in Southern California?

Bob Simon (00:52:28):
I heard in the DA's office in Orange County, you guys used to have rubber chickens or something if you...

Candice Bond (00:52:33):
Oh, PD's office.

Bob Simon (00:52:34):
PD's office.

Candice Bond (00:52:36):
Rubber sharks.

Bob Simon (00:52:37):
Really?

Candice Bond (00:52:38):
Yeah. So, first of all, the PD's office is dope. We are all such good friends, we eat lunch together every day, we make fun of each other. We don't have money to do his trial, so if he's in trial and I'm not in trial, be like, "Okay, what poster boards do you need, bro?" So, I'm printing out his poster boards, I'm bringing it to him, it's like, "We're going to win the DA. It's us against the DA." We were trained, we're like, "Who wins? A DA or a monkey? A monkey that always answers yes."

(00:53:05):
The judges say, "Are you ready for a trial?" And the monkey says, "Yes, yes, yes." The monkey always wins. So, even if you're not ready for trial, you say, "Yes, I'm ready." So, we learned to read the police reports while we were in trial, because that's when they had to give it to us. So, if we just said, "We're ready," and the DA's scared to death of that, so they dismiss it. We wouldn't waive time, so it was 30 days. We're like, "We're not waiving time, we're going to trial in 30 days." And they hated that.

Bob Simon (00:53:31):
Wow.

Candice Bond (00:53:32):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:53:34):
There's some PI lawyers that might read the Depots while they're at the council table too.

Candice Bond (00:53:37):
Well, the reports are a little bad, because the cops come in to testify and you're like, "He did what?"

Mauro Fiore (00:53:44):
But it's fresh.

Candice Bond (00:53:45):
"He did what?" But Keith Bruno, that's how we know each other. And I actually wanted him to get involved in PI, and I told him, "Hey, bro, you are winning in criminal. It's good, it's hard in criminal, we're in Orange County and you're getting not guilties. We get not guilties in Orange County, where everyone hates our clients." I was like, "We are special, we can do this." And then he's like, "I'm not answering discovery all day, Candice, you are so boring."

Bob Simon (00:54:10):
Well, he still doesn't answer discovery.

Candice Bond (00:54:12):
Right, but he didn't know that he didn't have to. So, I'm like, "Okay." I said, "Do one case with me. One case, and if you hate it, done." And so then, the one case that I have assigned with him happens to be when all that shit was going down with them letting the real bill amount into evidence. So, they were going to be able to testify about what the bill actually was from the hospital and what Ari paid for it. And so, it was going to be all this drama.

Mauro Fiore (00:54:44):
Ari Resnick.

Candice Bond (00:54:45):
Yeah. I love him. So, it was going to be drama, so I said, "Oh shit, we can't let this first time he's ever done this question this witness, and it's all going to come out and we're going to lose. Now it's going to be not only missable in discovery," because that was the time it was missable in discovery. "It's going to be missable in live trial." It's like, "Oh my God, shit." So, I was like, "Okay." So, I text Nick, I was like, "Nick, I need a favor."

Bob Simon (00:55:09):
Nick Rowley?

Candice Bond (00:55:09):
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And he was like, "Ah, I hate you." Whatever. And he was like, "You haven't called me in a while." And I was like, "Please." He's like, "Fine, bring me over the kit file." And he happened to-

Mauro Fiore (00:55:19):
Nick doesn't like that. You got to massage Nick's ego a little bit, you got to call and tell him, "Hey, how you doing, Nick?" Three or four times and then ask him for something.

Candice Bond (00:55:28):
Oh no, this doesn't work for me anymore.

Bob Simon (00:55:29):
Candice is direct, it's all right.

Candice Bond (00:55:31):
But I feel like my calling in life was to introduce them, so then I called Nick and I say, "Nick, Keith never tried a case in his life. He's a good trial lawyer, but they're going to eat him up with this discovery issue." I was like, "So, you have to come in." And I was like, "He has kids, you have kids, you're going to love each other. There's a deposition tonight." He's never done a doctor's deposition. It was a treating depo too, so the doctor's really strong for us. So, they met at that depo, and then they called me that night, they were drinking, they were like, "We love each other." And I was like, "I knew it." And then that was their love affair.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:05):
A good friend of mine, he's like the Brian Panish, Gary Dordick of criminal laws, named Simon Aval. I don't know if you know him.

Candice Bond (00:56:10):
No.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:11):
But he does the death penalty cases, the biggest criminal cases there are, he does them. And I asked him about Keith Bruno 10 years ago-

Candice Bond (00:56:21):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:21):
... when... Keith switched over to PI 5, 6, 7 years ago?

Candice Bond (00:56:24):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:24):
When Keith switched over. And I said, "Hey, Simon, you know this guy Keith Bruno?"

(00:56:27):
"Oh, I know him. He's fucking great trial lawyer and a real snappy dresser."

Bob Simon (00:56:35):
He was a snappy dresser.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:35):
"And a real snappy..."

Candice Bond (00:56:35):
I love Keith.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:35):
"Because he always dresses super good, and he's an amazing trial lawyer, I think he'll do great in PI."

Candice Bond (00:56:41):
Oh, he will, he did.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:42):
Simon told me, "Man, he will do great."

Candice Bond (00:56:44):
Oh, well, the way he dressed in criminal, in PI he's way low-key, because in criminal, he had the vest-

Mauro Fiore (00:56:55):
Yeah, but my buddy Simon says, "Man, he's the best dressed lawyer I've ever seen."

Candice Bond (00:56:58):
It was so good.

Mauro Fiore (00:56:59):
"And an amazing criminal defense lawyer."

Candice Bond (00:57:02):
Listen, anybody who's getting not guilties in Orange County, when you're a Public Defender. He was, and then he went to malpractice.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:09):
I remember when Bruno first started, he used to call me, because we had that mutual friend, Simon, because him and Simon had a lot of co-defendant cases together.

Candice Bond (00:57:15):
Right.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:16):
So, I said, "Hey, you're friends with my buddy Simon." And so, he would call me and he didn't know anything.

Candice Bond (00:57:23):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:23):
He would ask me-

Candice Bond (00:57:24):
No!

Mauro Fiore (00:57:25):
... crazy questions and I'll help anybody. Anyone wants to call me, call me, I'll help him. I'm like Bob, I'll help, I don't give a fuck.

Candice Bond (00:57:31):
Plus, it's good to brainstorm.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:34):
Yeah, and then I'm so happy for Keith and his wife, they've done so well, and it's great for them.

Candice Bond (00:57:39):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (00:57:39):
They've done great and I'm happy for them, that they've been able to come in and do it. And when people told him probably, "Oh, you've been doing criminal for so long, stick to what you know." You know how people are.

Candice Bond (00:57:49):
Oh no, a lot of it... I had a hard time convincing him.

Bob Simon (00:57:53):
Wow.

Candice Bond (00:57:53):
The one trial he did was a favor, because I was like, "Please."

Bob Simon (00:57:58):
Now he refuses to do-

Candice Bond (00:58:01):
No, this was... You know the case? It was a $1,000 PD, rear ender, my guy worked for Caesar's Pizza or something. He had three surgeries, it was a $100,000 policy, and it was open. And so, it was open and we're going to trial. And it was no biggy, he had a couple of knee surgeries, his neck's still hurt. And so, it wasn't this huge case. And Nick came in, and they came in, and man, the Juster hand wrote, and I said, "I'm not going to take any fees." I said, "You guys, can you come? I want Nick and Keith to do this, and I'm not going to take any fees, because I need this client to have justice. This client needs it, and it's a hard case, but you guys can do it." And yeah, when they got the Juster hand wrote the check and had it delivered the same day as the jury left. I loved that.

Bob Simon (00:58:49):
Tell us, when you were at the PD's office, what's the rubber shark story?

Candice Bond (00:58:54):
Oh, yeah. So, we would always joke with each other and do all these funny things, but when you won a trial at the PD's office, they'd put a rubber, it was probably this big, rubber shark on your door. And when someone else won, he would get... Everybody would have the rubber shark. And I had three really tough cases in a row, and I won all of them, not guilties, and the last one was really gnarly, because it was a gang case. And gang cases are just-

Bob Simon (00:59:23):
In Orange County.

Candice Bond (00:59:23):
Yeah, gang cases are basically... It was like an injunction, so it was called a gang injunction, so this guy was on this gang injunction. And so, if he even hung around someone else that was on the injunction, he got 180 days, that was the minimum. And so, I go and meet him behind in the cell and he goes, "Look at me." He goes, "See, officers, look at me. All my tattoos are taken off." He was 19. He goes, "All my tattoos are... I'm not in this gang. How can I be on this gang injunction when I'm not in this gang?"

(00:59:49):
And so, I went into the judge... In criminal, you can just go right into the judge, and I went in there and I said, "Listen, he's not in a gang. I need the judge to help me with this, we got to OR him." And of course the DA's like, "She's full of shit. She's always full of shit. That's Candice's bleeding heart." And so I was like, "Okay, then you look at his outfit. You look at his clothes." I said, "He said he's going to get killed in there." And so the judge said, "Okay, come in for lunch." And the guy took off his clothes, his shirt, and all the tattoos were being removed. They were in the process of all being removed, the gang, that's big. So, he OR'd him. Oh my God, the DA was so mad.

Bob Simon (01:00:25):
What's OR mean?

Mauro Fiore (01:00:27):
Own recognizance.

Candice Bond (01:00:28):
Own recognizance. So, no bail.

Bob Simon (01:00:30):
I never did criminal, I was always-

Candice Bond (01:00:34):
No, it's fun for when you're a kid. There was staff that would go around, staff infection would go around, and we'd be with our gloves.

Bob Simon (01:00:39):
So, when did you transition out of...

Candice Bond (01:00:43):
So, the shark. Okay, so I kept winning the shark and my supervisor was very happy for me, so he came to congratulate me on the gang thing. And I was having bill calls, I don't remember, my student loans or whatever it was, it was something that I couldn't afford. And I was always one that like, "I'm going to take care of my family," as soon as I started being a lawyer, like, "Mom, I don't want you to work ever again, and I want to buy you a house," and whatever. So, there was a lot of pressure. So, he came in and he said, "You're doing great." And I said, "Can we have an honest conversation? How much do you make a year? You've been here for 25 years." And he told me, and I said, "I can't do what I want to do for my family. What is the shark going to do? The shark can't pay me. As much as I would love to do this, because I loved being a Public Defender, I can't afford it."

(01:01:35):
And so, the next day we were dark and I read a magazine about a celebrity's kid getting too much medicine, and there was a civil lawsuit, negligence for 20 million. And I'm like, "I can do this. I can do this any day." So, the next day I started working in PI.

Bob Simon (01:01:53):
Wow.

Candice Bond (01:01:54):
The next week after we were dark, I started doing PI trials, and so I just did all their shitty "nobody could-"

Mauro Fiore (01:02:00):
For a firm?

Candice Bond (01:02:01):
"... trials." For a firm, yeah.

Mauro Fiore (01:02:02):
What firm was that, do you remember?

Candice Bond (01:02:03):
That was Carpenter & Zuckerman.

Mauro Fiore (01:02:05):
Oh, very nice.

Candice Bond (01:02:06):
Yep. I did a lot of trials for them, and it was fun. It was fun, and I won. And then I started learning the business side of it a little bit more and I said, "You know what? I want a firm with my..." I'm just OCD with processes and procedures and everything, we all are, so it's like, "I just want it to have my processes and procedures, and I want it to be paperless from the beginning."

Bob Simon (01:02:30):
You started your firm in 2008, your firm?

Candice Bond (01:02:33):
My firm, 2008, yes. And paperless from the beginning, which was... I had to train the scan department, I wrote all the extensions of how we save things. I sat in the scan department for a month, that was my thing back when I was a little crazy and I was a younger lawyer. If the case manager would try to act crazy and quit or something, or the receptionist wasn't answering the phone, or the scan department was scanning wrong, I would go in their position.

Bob Simon (01:02:58):
Do it yourself.

Candice Bond (01:02:58):
So, I'd fire the case manager and I'd sit in their seat, so the other people in the office was like, "Don't think she doesn't know how to do it. If she's telling you to do it, she's telling you because she's trying to help you. She's not on some thing saying, 'Oh, no, this is how you do it,' and she doesn't know any better. If she tells you, she knows it."

Mauro Fiore (01:03:16):
That's the one thing that's good about-

Candice Bond (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:19):
You worked by yourself, you did your own stuff.

Bob Simon (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:22):
It's like in my office, I've been a paralegal, I've been a case manager.

Bob Simon (01:03:26):
Yes.

Candice Bond (01:03:26):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:27):
I've been a medical record clerk.

Candice Bond (01:03:28):
Yes.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:28):
I've been a case negotiator.

Bob Simon (01:03:29):
Negotiating liens.

Candice Bond (01:03:30):
Yes, negotiating the liens.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:30):
[inaudible 01:03:31]. When I say people shit to my office, I'm not saying it because it's a theory.

Candice Bond (01:03:34):
You're not being a dick.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:34):
Shit, I did that.

Candice Bond (01:03:40):
Yes. And that's what... I'm sure it's in your office, and I know at my office, they respect that.

Mauro Fiore (01:03:45):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:03:46):
Because now I don't need to do all that commotion like I used to, like go sit and fire people. Now, they're just like, "No, she really does do it." So, the receptionist, if I call my office, for example, and it rings too many times, I'm like, "What happened? Why did it ring so many times? Other people calling?" And so, I know how to teach that. But my office is really amazing, my attorneys are so amazing, most of them have been with me since they were right out of law school. And when I wanted to do this whole national thing, everybody thought I was crazy.

Bob Simon (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:04:17):
Everybody, including my really dear friend, Brian. And so, he's like, "There's enough stuff in California, you're crazy, this is going to be too much stress, you can't do this." No one encouraged me to do it, and I had no encouragement. I met Bob later and what's funny is, because Brianne, one of my lawyers, was talking about him and wanting to work with him, because she's more in the know than I am. I don't know anything. And then she's like, "He's cool." And so, then I got to know him, so then when Covid happened and as an owner, I felt so bad for you, because I was like, "Dude, he just opened physical buildings and Covid just hit, and that's his new business model."

(01:04:58):
So, I was telling all my girls, "We're signing up, we're being loyal, we're being signing up with him." I don't know what we needed, if we don't need it, but all of my office signed up with him, because we're going to support him. And now, to watch you doing what most people would've given up on in Covid, that was crazy. And I'm sure you didn't have a lot of people saying, "Keep doing this."

Bob Simon (01:05:19):
Yeah, because they were like, "You opened a coworking space during Covid?" It's like, "Well, it's not really a coworking space, but it's like..." When people understand what it really is and the mentorship and all this stuff, they're like, "Oh, fuck, I had no idea that's what it really is."

Candice Bond (01:05:31):
Yeah, but you did it during Covid when everyone thought they were never going to leave the house, everyone thought they were going to work remote for the rest of their life, everybody's trying to make their background really nice. Everyone's like, "Okay, that might be beautiful what you have, but we're working remote. We're not leaving." So, the timing of when you did that and the pandemic, I felt so... And I'm such an entrepreneur and I love building and I loved your idea, so I was just like, "Oh, my friend." I was like, "Okay, we've got to support him. He's going to get through this, but we got to give extra support." So yeah, I was very proud of you. I'm very proud of you. It's very hard to have a vision and nobody understands your vision, because it's your vision.

Bob Simon (01:06:09):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:06:09):
Right.

Mauro Fiore (01:06:11):
Like John Morgan's second book. The first one is, You Can't Teach Hungry.

Bob Simon (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (01:06:14):
Second one is, You Can't Teach Vision.

Bob Simon (01:06:15):
And that's what people just don't understand. We have these discussions, there's only so many people. This circle here is included, where you can have these discussions-

Candice Bond (01:06:22):
Yes.

Bob Simon (01:06:22):
... and people are like, you guys get it. Other people we talk to, this doesn't compute.

Candice Bond (01:06:27):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (01:06:27):
This isn't...

Candice Bond (01:06:28):
But that's why they're not supposed to get it. That's why you have to-

Bob Simon (01:06:31):
Exactly.

Candice Bond (01:06:31):
That's why you have to lay out the procedures and the things, so they just sign up and they do what they do, and you've already put in the legwork. And not everybody has to get it.

Bob Simon (01:06:41):
That's fine.

Candice Bond (01:06:42):
That's with the shamans, everyone I deal with, there's people that are just elevated to a different energy, that they're supposed to do certain things in life. The shamans do believe something- [inaudible 01:06:54]

Bob Simon (01:06:53):
Candice, we're going to end on this, because we're at the end of the show here, but you seem very at peace with Candice Bond.

Candice Bond (01:07:00):
Yes, I am.

Bob Simon (01:07:01):
Your journey, where you are, and you had to fight since you were a little girl.

Candice Bond (01:07:04):
I did, and I've been sued by probably all your friends in the law community.

Bob Simon (01:07:10):
Come on stronger.

Candice Bond (01:07:12):
All the men have sued me at least once.

Bob Simon (01:07:13):
That's why you got to get the Left Cross out of it.

Candice Bond (01:07:18):
That I have gone through all of that, and the circle that I have is really tight. I have a very tight circle, and they're not all lawyers. A lot of the celebrity entertainers. That's what I love about what we do with the retreats in Peru, is because when you go there, it's a jungle, it's nothing fancy, and there's princes there. There's people that are... Oil money that I could never understand in my life, are there. And everybody's trying to find inner peace. Everybody. And they're like, "I have trillion dollars, but I'm not happy. I'm not this, I'm not that." So, these people are really putting in the work for their spiritual mind, like one would do yoga, and now I'm elevated to...

Mauro Fiore (01:08:02):
I just drink booze for my inner peace.

Candice Bond (01:08:03):
Yeah.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:04):
You know what I do? I go on trips with Bob two, three times a year and we just get drunk.

Candice Bond (01:08:07):
Yeah. You should do that.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:09):
And eat.

Bob Simon (01:08:09):
And we play Uno.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:10):
And we play Uno until late at night. Me and Bob have epic Uno games, sometimes they go on for hours.

Bob Simon (01:08:17):
Do you ever play Uno? Have you played this game?

Candice Bond (01:08:19):
I did when I was a kid.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:20):
We still play Uno and it gets really weird.

Bob Simon (01:08:21):
Yeah, but there's different rules. We play a good rule, people-

Candice Bond (01:08:24):
But you can make up your own rules.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:25):
Bob makes up rules that really usually fuck me up.

Bob Simon (01:08:28):
But it's funny. It's very funny when it's not his turn a lot, because when it's not his turn a lot, you know what happens to Mauro?

Candice Bond (01:08:35):
He falls asleep.

Bob Simon (01:08:41):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:08:41):
No, I to-

Mauro Fiore (01:08:41):
You got to bring the Uno cards to Ibiza.

Bob Simon (01:08:42):
I already have them.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:43):
Me and Bob are going to Ibiza next week.

Candice Bond (01:08:46):
Did you guys do those cards, like the Cards Against Humanity, or those other kind of cards?

Bob Simon (01:08:49):
I never did those.

Mauro Fiore (01:08:49):
We never have.

Candice Bond (01:08:50):
Oh, those are fun.

Bob Simon (01:08:50):
Everyone says they're fun.

Candice Bond (01:08:52):
Oh, no, they're super fun. There's another one, I have to see, I've forgot the name of it, but the other one is really funny.

Bob Simon (01:08:57):
Magic the Gathering?

Candice Bond (01:08:58):
No, but it's like Cards Against Humanity, but it's a little bit more... Because you guys are bringing your wives, right?

Bob Simon (01:09:01):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:09:02):
It's a little bit more sexual and funny, and it's like three choices. If you had to do whatever, what would you do? And it's so funny, because my CFO doesn't know what one was and he picked it, because we do it at our office sometimes when we're bored, we're like, "Okay, let's have a..." And so, he picked the Golden Shower one, but he didn't know what it was. And so we said, because you have to guess what the other one's going to guess. And so we're like, "He's going to guess this, right?" And we all wrote down what he's going to guess, and then he's like, "I guess Golden Shower." And he's like, "I don't know what it was." I was like, "Well, then you shouldn't pick that." But it's really funny, you should do that.

Mauro Fiore (01:09:36):
Send those cards along, I'm into Golden Showers.

Candice Bond (01:09:37):
That one's fun.

Bob Simon (01:09:38):
Oh, here we go.

Candice Bond (01:09:39):
No, you're not. He wasn't either, he didn't know what it was, but the stuff on there, it's like, "Who would you marry that's across from you?" It's all kind of funny stuff and it makes you laugh. It's funny.

Bob Simon (01:09:50):
Just don't let his wife drink tequila.

Candice Bond (01:09:51):
It would be good with those bars that I gave you.

Mauro Fiore (01:09:53):
Me and Bob get drunk, we play Uno, and we watch Dave Chappelle videos.

Candice Bond (01:09:56):
Yeah, Dave Chappelle's funny.

Mauro Fiore (01:09:58):
And laugh so much. Remember that time when we were in Spain, we laughed so much, I thought you were going to choke, you were laughing so hard.

Bob Simon (01:10:04):
I was.

Candice Bond (01:10:04):
Laughter is medicine.

Mauro Fiore (01:10:04):
We were watching Dave Chappelle videos.

Bob Simon (01:10:04):
It is. That is the cure to life, is laughter.

Candice Bond (01:10:12):
Laughter is medicine. And it's good that you guys are this good of friends. Because you need your brother that, no matter what, you're going to be able to call that person and they understand, and they're not going to go tell everybody.

Bob Simon (01:10:21):
Yeah.

Candice Bond (01:10:21):
But you can be like, "Hey, I'm having an issue." And if they're your real brother, they're going to tell you the good advice, they're not going to give you the... I'm so blessed now, the people in my life, Franco Vescovi, he's a very famous... All my people are very famous in their own right, and I just know that I can just call them and they will have my back.

Bob Simon (01:10:39):
Yeah, and they're not going to be yes people that just tell you-

Candice Bond (01:10:41):
Oh, no, I have none of those. But I think people in my firm and my friends have seen what I've gone through.

Bob Simon (01:10:49):
Love it. So, we're at the end of the episode here. Candice, you're a fucking rockstar. I hope people are inspired.

Candice Bond (01:10:53):
Thank you for having me.

Bob Simon (01:10:55):
From being, any walk of life, people telling you you couldn't have done it, you couldn't have gone to school, couldn't go to law school, couldn't be your own boss, to where you are now.

Candice Bond (01:11:02):
Yes.

Bob Simon (01:11:03):
So, we have to ask you, we're going to put all three bottles out here and ask you the critical question at the end of every show.

Candice Bond (01:11:08):
Oh, gosh.

Bob Simon (01:11:10):
Candice Bond, out of these three that you had today, what is your bourbon of proof?

Mauro Fiore (01:11:15):
What is your bourbon?

Candice Bond (01:11:16):
Is it bad that I pick the one that I gave?

Bob Simon (01:11:18):
It's totally okay.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:19):
No.

Candice Bond (01:11:19):
No, that was the one, that was my favorite.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:21):
The Blanton's Single Barrel? Well, I can't blame you on that.

Candice Bond (01:11:23):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (01:11:24):
I think we have an agreement. I think we're three for three.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:27):
The three agreements. What is it? The Four Agreements?

Candice Bond (01:11:28):
Yeah, and plus, Kinty said-

Bob Simon (01:11:28):
What the fuck are you talking about?

Candice Bond (01:11:28):
... you have to bless it.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:28):
It's a book, The Four Agreements.

Candice Bond (01:11:33):
The Four Agreements is a very good book.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:34):
The Four Agreements is a zen book.

Candice Bond (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's a very great...

Bob Simon (01:11:37):
I don't read, I hardly write.

Candice Bond (01:11:38):
You have to listen to audiobooks, at least.

Mauro Fiore (01:11:41):
I'm going to give you The Four Agreements.

Candice Bond (01:11:42):
When you're going to sleep-

Bob Simon (01:11:43):
I won't read it.

Candice Bond (01:11:43):
... and you can set the alarm so the audiobook goes off when you fall asleep, so it doesn't keep you going the whole time, so you set the alarm for 30 minutes and I'm going to go to sleep.

Bob Simon (01:11:50):
Interesting.

Candice Bond (01:11:51):
And it kind of feeds you while you're sleeping. It's good. Because we don't have time to read, really.

Bob Simon (01:11:57):
No, we don't have time to fucking read.

Candice Bond (01:11:59):
But yeah, I listen to audiobooks.

Bob Simon (01:12:01):
At the vacation I could read. My emails, I guess. Wow. Well, Candice, thank you for coming on.

Candice Bond (01:12:07):
Thank you for having me. This was awesome, this was so fun. We got to do it again.

Mauro Fiore (01:12:11):
Anytime.

Bob Simon (01:12:12):
Well, we'll do a sequel where Candice is in 50 states, maybe 52 by then, we don't know.

Candice Bond (01:12:18):
I don't know. I'm taking a little...

Mauro Fiore (01:12:20):
50 states and Puerto Rico.

Candice Bond (01:12:21):
Yeah.

Bob Simon (01:12:21):
Might be a state by then.

Candice Bond (01:12:24):
There's a couple of states that I would like that I don't have.

Mauro Fiore (01:12:26):
Which ones?

Bob Simon (01:12:27):
State of confusion.

Candice Bond (01:12:28):
Alaska. I'd love to have Alaska.

Bob Simon (01:12:30):
Really? We have lawyers in Alaska.

Candice Bond (01:12:32):
Yeah, I'd love to have Alaska.

Bob Simon (01:12:34):
Really?

Candice Bond (01:12:35):
Mm-hmm, I'd love to have that, yeah.

Bob Simon (01:12:36):
Interesting.

Candice Bond (01:12:37):
That's one of the ones. I have all the ones that I really... I really wanted Colorado, we have that. Georgia, I love Georgia. I love my attorneys that I have in Georgia. And so, all my attorneys that I have, they're the best of the best in their state.

Bob Simon (01:12:53):
Yep.

Candice Bond (01:12:53):
Mark and I, you introduced me to Mark.

Bob Simon (01:12:55):
Yeah, he's the best, I love Mark.

Candice Bond (01:12:56):
Oh my God, Mark and I are like...

Bob Simon (01:12:58):
A North Carolina guy, South-

Mauro Fiore (01:12:58):
Mark who?

Candice Bond (01:12:59):
Bryan Gardner.

Mauro Fiore (01:13:00):
Where's he at?

Bob Simon (01:13:01):
He actually went to law school out here, and then I've known him since he was in law school at Pepperdine, but now he's in North Carolina and crushes.

Candice Bond (01:13:09):
He's so cool. He introduced me to him and that was a blessing. I was like, "Oh my God." So, he ended up quitting his firm, because I was able to give him enough cases and so he ended up quitting-

Bob Simon (01:13:19):
She starts a lot of lawyers' careers. You find the lawyers that are special in the state. All right, we got to get out of this episode, because we don't want to be too long, even though Mauro's very interesting as a human.

Candice Bond (01:13:28):
He is. And a lot of facts.

Bob Simon (01:13:30):
And how do our guests find Candice Bond?

Candice Bond (01:13:32):
You can't really find me.

Bob Simon (01:13:35):
Just Google.

Candice Bond (01:13:35):
I'm kind of elusive.

Bob Simon (01:13:36):
That's what I love about her, you have to just...

Candice Bond (01:13:38):
I'm kind of elusive, I don't put my...

Mauro Fiore (01:13:40):
You're like a mountain lion, they call them ghost cats, because you never see them.

Candice Bond (01:13:42):
Yeah, I don't put my results on my website.

Mauro Fiore (01:13:44):
You're a ghost cat.

Candice Bond (01:13:45):
I don't say that 22 billion or whatever, I don't see my results.

Bob Simon (01:13:48):
Even though it probably is.

Candice Bond (01:13:51):
I don't do that, I don't know why. I just feel it works for me.

Bob Simon (01:13:54):
Because you like your privacy.

Candice Bond (01:13:55):
To be low-key.

Bob Simon (01:13:57):
You're a private person.

Candice Bond (01:13:58):
I'm a very private person.

Mauro Fiore (01:13:59):
Well, if you run across the Ghost Cat, Candice Bond, count yourself lucky.

Bob Simon (01:14:03):
The Ghost Cat. Your nickname is the Ghost Cat.

Candice Bond (01:14:04):
The Ghost Cat, I like it.

Bob Simon (01:14:05):
Congratulations, Candice Bond.

Candice Bond (01:14:07):
Paul Zuckerman used to call me Big Game Hunter.

Bob Simon (01:14:09):
Well, Big Game Hunter, hunting your own game, the Ghost Cat. Thank you for listening to this-

Candice Bond (01:14:13):
Thank you very much, guys.

Bob Simon (01:14:13):
... edition of the Bourbon of Proof.

Candice Bond (01:14:13):
Yes.

Bob Simon (01:14:17):
The Candice Bond.

Candice Bond (01:14:18):
Yes. Thank you, guys. Thank you for having me.

Bob Simon (01:14:20):
The Ghost Cat.

Candice Bond (01:14:21):
The Ghost Cat.