Mauro Fiore (00:00):
So I answer the phone, he says, "Hey, do you want to go on a private jet tomorrow morning from Van Nuys Airport at like 8:00 AM to go play golf in Monterey?" I'm like, "Tomorrow morning in a few hours?"
Sevy Fisher (00:14):
This is true.
Mauro Fiore (00:15):
I was like, "Let me think about it. Okay."
Sevy Fisher (00:18):
The hardest thing, especially as becoming a new trial lawyer, I think the vulnerability. And we're raised, especially as men, we're raised that everything should be swept under the carpet. We shouldn't cry, we shouldn't get emotional. And then all of a sudden I've got to tell a client story where the only way I can do that effectively and put myself in their shoes, and be their voice is to get in touch with that emotional side. That was the hardest part. That was, I think, the hardest part for me.
Bob Simon (01:06):
Welcome to this episode of Bourbon of Proof, where we like to explore people that have been successful at law and life, and do it over several spirits, and maybe get a little bit tipsy. And first, I'll introduce my co-host, Mauro Fiore, who's come back to us, our most successful episode. Mauro likes to enjoy talking about shenanigans and things that are very quasi-inappropriate, that we will edit. And if you go to probably a YouTube-
Mauro Fiore (01:30):
I'm glad you said shenanigans. I thought you were going to say something else.
Bob Simon (01:35):
What else could I have said that starts like-
Mauro Fiore (01:36):
Shit?
Bob Simon (01:38):
That's a bad joke. We're filming live from Los Angeles at The Firm, a private whiskey members only club. We're very honored to have today. Sevy Willard Fisher. Sevy-
Mauro Fiore (01:47):
Willard.
Bob Simon (01:48):
Willard. Do you know his middle name?
Sevy Fisher (01:49):
That's my middle name.
Mauro Fiore (01:50):
Wow.
Sevy Fisher (01:50):
I see everybody kind of perking up.
Bob Simon (01:53):
Yeah. So I mean, you were more surprised with Willard than Sevy?
Mauro Fiore (01:57):
Sevy I understand, because he comes from a golf background. He's named after Sevy Ballesteros?
Sevy Fisher (02:02):
Spaniard.
Mauro Fiore (02:03):
The Spaniard, the champion. That I get, but Willard I don't get. Isn't like the guy who was the weatherman on-
Bob Simon (02:09):
Fred Willard.
Sevy Fisher (02:10):
It's like a great uncle's middle name.
Mauro Fiore (02:13):
I like that.
Bob Simon (02:16):
So, Sevy also comes to ... He's an established trial lawyer. He's now living in California, but born and raised in Idaho.
Sevy Fisher (02:24):
Idaho.
Bob Simon (02:27):
He's in ABOTA, we'll talk about his trials, and Mauro's coughing. He's getting so verklempt because he's astonished by Sevy's greatness. He has this aura about him. But you know what, Sev? First one I brought for you, it's a Utah whiskey.
Sevy Fisher (02:45):
Makes sense, I went to college there.
Bob Simon (02:46):
That's why we brought it, went to college.
Mauro Fiore (02:49):
Where'd you go, to BYU?
Sevy Fisher (02:50):
University of.
Mauro Fiore (02:51):
University-
Bob Simon (02:52):
Utah. You spent some time in Oregon, which we can discuss, but he went to Utah and this is where they give a little bit of slow pours for whiskey. But this is High West, this is the limited edition release of the double rye, which is one of, I know our favorites we drink almost every day of our lives.
Sevy Fisher (03:07):
Yep, when we beat Mauro at poker.
Mauro Fiore (03:10):
You guys have never invited me back to your game because I crushed you guys.
Bob Simon (03:13):
We talked to your bankruptcy lawyer and he said you're not allowed to come back.
Mauro Fiore (03:18):
Jesus.
Bob Simon (03:19):
Yeah. He handles your estates now and he said, "Mauro's not allowed to come."
Mauro Fiore (03:23):
I want to say, that's total nonsense, first of all, but I want to say I've been to this distillery with you, Bob, in Utah, right?
Bob Simon (03:29):
That's true.
Mauro Fiore (03:30):
Didn't we go to High West?
Bob Simon (03:31):
We went to High West.
Mauro Fiore (03:31):
Along with, what was that guy's name?
Bob Simon (03:33):
Gary Dordick?
Mauro Fiore (03:34):
No, the other guy. Talked the whole time.
Bob Simon (03:37):
Huh?
Mauro Fiore (03:37):
Stuart, the guy who talked the whole time.
Bob Simon (03:42):
Let's do this.
Mauro Fiore (03:42):
Yes, cheers.
Sevy Fisher (03:43):
Cheers.
Bob Simon (03:44):
All right. To Sevy, to Utah-
Sevy Fisher (03:45):
Thanks, guys.
Bob Simon (03:46):
... to the story we're about to enjoy together.
Sevy Fisher (03:51):
Stuart Frankle?
Mauro Fiore (03:51):
Stuart Frankle.
Bob Simon (03:52):
See how good this? It's so simple.
Sevy Fisher (03:53):
It's the best.
Mauro Fiore (03:55):
This is really good.
Bob Simon (03:56):
We put ice in our drinks today because-
Mauro Fiore (03:57):
Is that double rye?
Bob Simon (03:58):
Double rye.
Sevy Fisher (03:59):
Yeah. High West double rye.
Bob Simon (04:00):
This is the limited edition one. This is fantastic-
Mauro Fiore (04:01):
It's one your dad likes, right? Your dad likes it-
Sevy Fisher (04:02):
Yes. And you can find it anywhere for like 35 bucks or something.
Mauro Fiore (04:07):
It's amazing.
Bob Simon (04:09):
Yeah. So Sevy, we put ice in here we call them the Ice Man.
Sevy Fisher (04:13):
I prefer not to get heartburn, and I like my whiskey with ice in it. And even people close to you make fun of us for it, but I don't care because I like my alcohol how I like it.
Bob Simon (04:25):
I like mine-
Mauro Fiore (04:26):
I don't mind it neat or on the rocks. To me it doesn't make that big a difference.
Bob Simon (04:30):
All right.
Sevy Fisher (04:30):
I just hate hot alcohol.
Bob Simon (04:33):
Well, speaking of hot, we got some hot items for you after this one. But we're going to get started with, we're going to take Sevy back to young Willard, little Sevy Willie back in Utah. Idaho.
Mauro Fiore (04:45):
What part of Idaho are you from?
Sevy Fisher (04:46):
Twin Falls.
Mauro Fiore (04:47):
Twin Falls.
Sevy Fisher (04:48):
Right on the Snake River.
Mauro Fiore (04:49):
I've been through there. There's a entrance to Yellowstone National Park around there, isn't there?
Sevy Fisher (04:55):
Mm-hmm.
Mauro Fiore (04:56):
Near there?
Sevy Fisher (04:56):
Somewhere.
Bob Simon (04:58):
So Sevy, do you come from a family of trial lawyers?
Sevy Fisher (05:00):
I do not. Zero trial lawyers in my family, zero lawyers in my family. Zero-ish college graduates in my family.
Bob Simon (05:09):
So, how did you get to be like, you're living in the peninsula here in Los Angeles, you have a beautiful family and wife, very successful. You get to spend a lot of time with your friends, golfing, trying a lot of high profile cases. How did you get from Idaho to where you were today?
Sevy Fisher (05:25):
Well, I don't know. I just always had a vision that I wanted to be successful. Didn't really know what at a young age, but I knew I wanted to be successful at something. Hit high school-ish and then I was like ... I had a few run-ins with the law with minor shit, like 14 years old, 15 years old, drinking at parties, things like that. And then-
Bob Simon (05:51):
Trafficking cocaine, bodies in the trunk.
Sevy Fisher (05:54):
Nothing like that. But I had to get lawyers and I was like-
Bob Simon (05:57):
You had to get lawyers, for real?
Sevy Fisher (05:59):
Well yeah, because I had to get a defense lawyer because of some of the stuff that I got. I got disturbing the piece at football games for drinking and getting rowdy, things like that-
Bob Simon (06:09):
Well, how did they allow a male cheerleader to have alcohol?
Mauro Fiore (06:12):
You were a male cheerleader?
Bob Simon (06:14):
No, it's a joke.
Mauro Fiore (06:17):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Sevy Fisher (06:19):
No, this guy. But I had this old scrappy lawyer, and I was like, "Gosh, that looks like a good gig. I feel like I could do this." And I saw-
Mauro Fiore (06:27):
Took 2,500 bucks off of do that?
Sevy Fisher (06:29):
Oh man, dude. And I had to work to pay off his bills and I was like, "Gosh, this guy's making a lot for doing very little." And then, I don't know, I just always thought my grandfather thought I would make a good lawyer. And so, ever since high school I just had that vision. I didn't know how I was going to get there, but I knew that's what I wanted to be.
Mauro Fiore (06:51):
Vision is important. Has anyone watched that Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary?
Bob Simon (06:55):
Oh, fantastic.
Mauro Fiore (06:56):
On Netflix?
Sevy Fisher (06:58):
Yep, watched him.
Mauro Fiore (06:58):
He inspired me so much just watching that first episode where he just says he saw himself in this shit town in Austria, where he's from, and he just envisioned himself in Hollywood movies.
Bob Simon (07:07):
I mean, and I've done that my whole life too. Did you do this too?
Sevy Fisher (07:11):
What?
Mauro Fiore (07:12):
Said he would sit in his bed and just envision-
Bob Simon (07:12):
Did you ever just put a vision on what your life is going to be like, where you're going to be?
Sevy Fisher (07:14):
Yeah, I couldn't even tell you. I didn't even know how you needed to be a lawyer or how you needed to be certain professions. I don't know, I just knew I wanted to be successful. And I didn't know how to register for college, for example. I was late to do that because I just didn't know that was a thing, so I just didn't know how I was going to do it, but I just knew I was going to do it somehow.
Bob Simon (07:40):
How did you end up at Utah?
Sevy Fisher (07:42):
So, a good segue, I was in a senior in high school and I always just got good grades. I was one of the party group that none of the kids' other students' parents wanted their daughters to hang out with. But I always put my grades first. I just always had this, I don't know, I always had this thing, I couldn't show up to a class, get called on and not know the answer to something. That bothered me more than anything in the world. Even at a young age, starting from sixth, seventh grade. And so, it's senior year. I've got a 3.8 GPA without even trying. And there was somebody, I think it was my aunt who was like ... My cousin, I had two cousins in the same grade as me, and I think it was my aunt was like, "Hey Sevy, you register for colleges yet? Which ones did you register to?" I was like, "What? You don't just show up and go to college? You have to register?"
Mauro Fiore (08:44):
Well, you have to apply, don't you?
Sevy Fisher (08:45):
Yeah. I had no idea. I just thought that I could go and say, "Hey, I want to go to college." And I really was that naïve, I guess you could say. And so, I went immediately to the library in my high school, and I got on a computer and I Googled-
Bob Simon (09:03):
So, you had computers in-
Sevy Fisher (09:04):
Yes, we did. But I literally Googled-
Bob Simon (09:07):
They had Google in high school. You hear that?
Mauro Fiore (09:09):
I went to high school in the '80s. We had no Google or shit.
Sevy Fisher (09:12):
It might've been something before then, to be honest with you. It might've been like search.com or-
Bob Simon (09:16):
Ask Jeeves.
Mauro Fiore (09:17):
Prodigy?
Sevy Fisher (09:17):
Something like that. But I literally Googled top five party schools.
Bob Simon (09:22):
No, you did not.
Sevy Fisher (09:22):
100%. And the second one to show up was the University of Oregon. And the good thing is I was late on all the other semester schools, but this was on a trimester system that didn't start until September. So I was able to still apply, thankfully.
Mauro Fiore (09:36):
Oregon or Utah?
Sevy Fisher (09:37):
University of Oregon.
Mauro Fiore (09:38):
Oregon.
Sevy Fisher (09:38):
So, we'll get to Utah.
Bob Simon (09:40):
Patience.
Sevy Fisher (09:41):
But University of Oregon. So I applied, got a letter back pretty quickly. I don't think we had email, I didn't have email at the time. They sent me a letter back and I was like, "Wow, I got into the University of Oregon. Cool." And so, I packed up and I went to Oregon, didn't really know what I was doing, to start school in September. Got to Oregon, had some fun freshman year, and then just didn't really ... After a while I was like, I was getting good grades, great grades, and just got tired of all the rain. And I had a lot of family in Utah, I had a cousin that went to high school with me that was going to pilot school in ... Zach, my cousin Zach.
(10:20):
And he needed a roommate. And I was like, "You know what? I think I'm just going to transfer. I can't stand this fucking rain." I remember my sophomore year it rained for I think 110 days straight, at least a little bit every single day. And I was like, "I cannot stand this shit." I'm a Fairweather person. I like the sun, so I got the hell out of there and I transferred to the University of Utah, and then that's how I ended up in Utah.
Bob Simon (10:45):
Where did Utah rank on the party school list?
Sevy Fisher (10:47):
It was very low.
Bob Simon (10:48):
Did not register.
Sevy Fisher (10:49):
It was very low, but I got my partying out at an early age. Even going to the University of Oregon. I mean, I was way less of a partier than I would say everybody at that school, because I feel like I got that out of me in high school.
Mauro Fiore (11:03):
I mean, to this day in Utah it's hard to buy liquor. I've been to Park City recently, and they have one liquor store owned by the government. Can you imagine getting your hand on booze when you're in college?
Sevy Fisher (11:14):
No, I know. And I went back-
Mauro Fiore (11:15):
You'd have to straight steal it.
Sevy Fisher (11:17):
... I went back recently and we stayed at a hotel, and I went and got a drink from the bar. And I tried walking out of the bar that was in the hotel [inaudible 00:11:27] over to my pool, and the guy's like, "Whoa, whoa. What are you doing?" I was like, "I'm going to the pool to drink my cocktail." He's like, "You can't do that." It's like, what? Because that's all we do here in California.
Bob Simon (11:36):
They have to literally have somebody else bring it there for you.
Sevy Fisher (11:39):
And if you go to a restaurant, you can't order alcohol at the bar unless you order at least some form of food.
Bob Simon (11:44):
You have to be at the bar, you can't even be hanging around.
Mauro Fiore (11:48):
Remember, didn't we do that when we went to the Law-Di-Gras convention this year? They were giving us a hassle at that steakhouse we went to because we were trying to order drinks.
Bob Simon (11:55):
We just wanted a drink.
Sevy Fisher (11:56):
Well, all the beer's 3.5%. They water it down.
Bob Simon (11:59):
See, that's a travesty.
Sevy Fisher (12:00):
Unless you get it at a liquor store, you can buy it at a liquor store.
Bob Simon (12:03):
Well, you know what?
Sevy Fisher (12:04):
Tips for whoever's in Utah.
Bob Simon (12:06):
So I mean, it's a very heavy Mormon state, Utah.
Sevy Fisher (12:09):
It is.
Bob Simon (12:10):
So, did you grow up in the Mormon church?
Sevy Fisher (12:14):
Half my family-
Bob Simon (12:15):
I mean, you're drinking alcohol, so-
Sevy Fisher (12:16):
Yeah, I'm what they call a Jack Mormon. But to each their own. I have plenty of friends, family members, people I respect very much that are still very good practicing Mormons. Half my family's still that way, the other half is sort of like me. But yeah, I just realized at an early age it wasn't for me and never looked back-
Bob Simon (12:38):
So, what does a Jack Mormon mean?
Sevy Fisher (12:39):
Just a person who was baptized or is a part of the church, but went their own way and doesn't abide by their rules, and-
Bob Simon (12:50):
So you can have alcohol and caffeine, nicotine-
Sevy Fisher (12:53):
Yeah, I can do whatever I want. I'm 36 years old.
Bob Simon (12:55):
I'm a grown man. I'm a grown-ass man.
Sevy Fisher (12:58):
Yeah.
Bob Simon (12:59):
All right. So, Mauro brought something, another a spirit for us to try. So Mauro, why don't you tell us what you got, why you got it?
Mauro Fiore (13:10):
Well, this is Tin Cup, which is the name of probably the greatest golf movie ever made. And me and Sevy are golfers, we've played golf together, and we talk more about playing golf together than we actually play. But we have that mutual golfers respect, so we're golfers. Tin Cup is the name of the greatest golf movie ever made with Kevin Costner-
Bob Simon (13:29):
And Happy Gilmore, hand in hand.
Mauro Fiore (13:30):
Well, have you ever seen a bad Kevin Costner sports film?
Bob Simon (13:34):
No.
Mauro Fiore (13:35):
So, he's in Tin Cup, but this is called Tin Cup because it's from Colorado, but Tin Cup is a name of a famous mine in Colorado.
Bob Simon (13:46):
Say mine?
Mauro Fiore (13:46):
Mine. M-I-N-E, mine. So, it's from a mining town called Tin Cup, and this is American whiskey from Colorado. And so, we're going to try this out because Sevy's from the mountain states there, Utah, Colorado, they all kind of run together.
Sevy Fisher (14:02):
You always go for the green in two on a par five after you drink this whiskey. Is that what you're telling me?
Mauro Fiore (14:06):
Well I mean, I usually lay up because that's kind of my game, but-
Bob Simon (14:11):
And Sevy's a very big golfer, it's part of his-
Mauro Fiore (14:15):
Part of your persona.
Sevy Fisher (14:16):
It is.
Bob Simon (14:17):
So I mean, we have three kids about the same age. In fact, our three-year olds are four days removed from each other. Are you bringing your kids into the game you grew up with? Are you making part of the family? How does that go?
Sevy Fisher (14:30):
100%. You can give me a little more, that's kind of weak.
Bob Simon (14:37):
Don't lay up, Mauro.
Mauro Fiore (14:38):
This isn't our first show today.
Sevy Fisher (14:44):
Yeah. What I was saying is that the cool thing about, I think the kids just, they see something that brings Daddy so much joy. And it doesn't matter what it is. It could be your kids, it could be your kids, whatever it is. And they see me doing it, they see me watching it on the weekends, and I feel like there's just something that naturally goes to them that wants to do it, which is awesome. And then they do it, and they enjoy doing it. So, I only take my kids to the golf course, and I heard this from a PGA professional, I can't remember which one, but-
Bob Simon (15:14):
Happy Gilmore?
Sevy Fisher (15:15):
Yeah.
Bob Simon (15:16):
Shooter McGavin.
Sevy Fisher (15:16):
But they only take their kids to the golf course when they ask, there's no pressure, because a lot of these guys get pressured by their dads and then it makes them hate the game. And so, I never want to be that and I never want to do that to my kids. So I let them, if they ask me, "Hey Dad, we want to go to the golf course," I make sure that's-
Bob Simon (15:35):
How old are your kids?
Sevy Fisher (15:37):
Seven, five and three. Boy, girl, boy.
Bob Simon (15:41):
They all like to golf so far?
Sevy Fisher (15:43):
Yeah. The two oldest ones, especially the third one, doesn't really know what he likes except just to piss us off. But other than that-
Bob Simon (15:50):
That's what the last child does.
Sevy Fisher (15:51):
... likes to hurt himself, and he likes to piss us off and not listen to anything we say.
Bob Simon (15:57):
Yeah, Mauro's still like that.
Mauro Fiore (15:57):
I still do that.
Sevy Fisher (15:58):
That's kind of like Mauro.
Mauro Fiore (15:58):
I don't like to hurt myself, but it happens.
Sevy Fisher (16:02):
Incidentally?
Mauro Fiore (16:03):
Well, I might stumble around and fall over shit. Last night I went to the bathroom at night, and I want to turn on the lights to wake up so my wife wouldn't wake up. So, I was going to pee and I tripped over my German Shepherd, like bad. It was crazy. I bounced off the wall, off her desk. It was like someone was blowing my house up. So, I should have just turned the light on because I woke up everybody in the house. But my German Shepherd just loves to be near me, so I forgot that he likes to lay right there. And I was just trying to tiptoe to the bathroom and boom, I went down hard.
Sevy Fisher (16:37):
I've tripped over things.
Bob Simon (16:38):
How long were you in the bathroom that he was laying down at this point?
Mauro Fiore (16:40):
No, this was on my way to the bathroom.
Bob Simon (16:41):
Oh.
Sevy Fisher (16:42):
Okay.
Mauro Fiore (16:43):
Usually it's not that long of a pit stop at night, try to get back in the [inaudible 00:16:48]
Sevy Fisher (16:47):
Do you just have one dog?
Mauro Fiore (16:48):
No, I have three dogs.
Sevy Fisher (16:50):
Are they all German Shepherds?
Mauro Fiore (16:51):
No, I have a German Shepherd, I have a wiener dog or a Dachshund, as they-
Bob Simon (16:55):
Dachshund.
Mauro Fiore (16:56):
... and I have a Chihuahua.
Bob Simon (17:00):
A mix.
Mauro Fiore (17:01):
I have a Chihuahua with three legs named Connell.
Bob Simon (17:05):
Bro, you do not, I did not know this.
Mauro Fiore (17:07):
You've never seen my three-legged Chihuahua?
Bob Simon (17:09):
I didn't know that the dog's name was Connell.
Mauro Fiore (17:11):
You didn't know his name was Connell?
Bob Simon (17:12):
Our friend that has one leg, he knows Connell.
Mauro Fiore (17:16):
I named him after my friend Connell who's got one leg. So, it's Connell the dog. So, whenever Connell comes over-
Bob Simon (17:20):
Connell the dog.
Mauro Fiore (17:20):
... I make sure I have Connell, "Connell, come up here," and he runs up the stairs with the one leg like this. And Connell gets really upset.
Sevy Fisher (17:26):
That's kind of fucked up. Kind of fucked up.
Bob Simon (17:30):
It's fucked up. What's your German Shepherd's name?
Mauro Fiore (17:32):
Kobe.
Bob Simon (17:33):
Oh. Why is it named Kobe?
Mauro Fiore (17:34):
It was my dad's dog, when he passed away I inherited this dog. It was my dad's dog. It's a great dog, but I don't know where ... My dad was a Laker fan, named it Kobe.
Bob Simon (17:43):
Yeah. So Sevy, you're in Utah. How the fuck did you get to Southern California?
Mauro Fiore (17:51):
Well, it's not that far, Bob.
Bob Simon (17:53):
Well, I mean, for law school. I mean, you put yourself in your perspective there. Do you have any family, stuff? I mean, how does this go down?
Sevy Fisher (17:59):
Nope. It was the first acceptance into law school that I got from applying to law school. And it was from also an unaccredited law school now. It was accredited when I went, I'm grandfathered in. So, I went to an accredited law school-
Mauro Fiore (18:12):
It was an ABA school in those days, right?
Sevy Fisher (18:13):
Yes, exactly. It just became an unaccredited school, I think like six years after I graduated. So, I went to an accredited law school.
Bob Simon (18:20):
Okay. So, we'll play Never Have I Ever. Never ave I ever graduated from an accredited law school.
Mauro Fiore (18:26):
Me. I graduated from-
Bob Simon (18:29):
But his was accredited at the time.
Mauro Fiore (18:31):
At the time it was.
Bob Simon (18:35):
But don't you think some of the best trial lawyers ever went to law schools you never fucking heard of? Who gives a shit?
Mauro Fiore (18:40):
Of course. It doesn't make any difference.
Sevy Fisher (18:41):
Yeah, I don't care. Anyway, I got an application from there, and then my now wife, who was my girlfriend living with me at the time, flew with me into San Diego where we had never been before. We went to Thomas Jefferson School of Law.
Bob Simon (18:57):
How long have you been with your wife?
Sevy Fisher (19:01):
Oh no, that's our wedding anniversary. Like 14 years, I think.
Bob Simon (19:05):
So, she was with you while you were in college?
Sevy Fisher (19:07):
The latter end, yeah, the last two years of college-
Mauro Fiore (19:12):
You didn't skip any time between college and law school? You went straight in?
Sevy Fisher (19:16):
Yeah. And then, so we flew into San Diego, and I remember landing and we rented some red Corvette, or not a Corvette-
Bob Simon (19:26):
Miata.
Sevy Fisher (19:27):
What I meant to say was a red, what do they call it? Topless-
Bob Simon (19:30):
Cabriolet.
Sevy Fisher (19:31):
A convertible, a red Mustang convertible. And I probably had bedazzled jeans at the time, and my white loafers and-
Bob Simon (19:42):
Puka shell necklace.
Sevy Fisher (19:44):
Oh yeah. I was a dork.
Bob Simon (19:45):
Frosted hair.
Sevy Fisher (19:47):
Yeah, I was a dork. But we landed, and anyway, we were driving off the ... You drive right along the bay there with all the boats when you come out of the airport. And I just remember we had to stop for something right as we got into town. And I just looked at her and I was like, "I don't really give a what this law school is. I'm fucking home."
Mauro Fiore (20:08):
It's like, this is great.
Sevy Fisher (20:10):
This has been here my whole life and I didn't know about it?
Bob Simon (20:13):
Same thing when I went to land in L.A., went to Malibu and looked at Pepperdine. I was like, "Yeah, I'm going to get in and fucking go here."
Sevy Fisher (20:18):
Yeah, it's crazy. And then we stayed at this Marriott. Her mom worked for a hotel at the time. And so, we got free rooms at the Marriott downtown in San Diego, in the Gas Lamp District. And so we stayed for, I think we were here for two or three nights. We stayed down there. I remember it was a Sunday, or no, it might've been a Monday. So, we go down to eat. We had seen the school already, and it was the only school, only school we were looking at here, or in San Diego. And so I was like, "Well, we got two and a half days to kill." So, we go to lunch in the Gas Lamp District, and it was like 11:00 AM or something like that. And we go down there and we sit down, and I just look around. And I'm coming from Utah, keep in mind. I look around and I'm like, "Man, there's a live band in the corner," and people are just getting drinking bottomless mimosas.
(21:04):
And I was like, "People just do this on a Monday at 11:00 AM? This is-
Mauro Fiore (21:09):
People were drinking bottomless?
Sevy Fisher (21:10):
It was just the vibe.
Mauro Fiore (21:15):
What kind of people drink bottomless?
Sevy Fisher (21:15):
It was the energy-
Bob Simon (21:15):
Bermudians. That's why they have Bermuda shorts.
Sevy Fisher (21:16):
Yeah, it was the-
Bob Simon (21:17):
Just long T-shirts.
Sevy Fisher (21:18):
Yeah, some champagne.
Mauro Fiore (21:19):
Were you also drinking bottomless?
Sevy Fisher (21:21):
I started because I just was like, "Gosh, when in Rome-
Mauro Fiore (21:28):
Did you have pizza?
Bob Simon (21:28):
We got the joke.
Sevy Fisher (21:28):
No, it was great. The energy was different Here, the energy's different, The energy's upbeat. I don't know, SoCal has a vibe that you want to be ... it almost motivates you. Does that make sense?
Bob Simon (21:40):
Yeah.
Sevy Fisher (21:41):
It's like you're surrounded by a bunch of people that are having fun. I mean, they're all doing it and you're just like, "Gosh, I want to be here. I want to be be able to-
Bob Simon (21:52):
How did you become the advocate in the courtroom? Where does this start? What was your first time in the courtroom? How about that?
Sevy Fisher (22:03):
Oh, okay. Well, because I came to work with you.
Bob Simon (22:08):
But when you were in law school, you were doing some stuff with it.
Sevy Fisher (22:12):
Yeah, I did moot court, which was the writing. You have to write an appellate brief and then you go argue it before a bunch of mock Supreme Court justices and appellate justices. And I was really good at it but we never placed at any of the tournaments because my writing wasn't that well, it wasn't that good.
Bob Simon (22:30):
It still isn't.
Sevy Fisher (22:31):
Yeah, whatever. Well, that's not what I do. But I was like, "Gosh, I would be so good if I could just fuck this writing." So, I liked it. I liked the pressure. I feel like I can talk to people-
Mauro Fiore (22:46):
You're a show pony.
Sevy Fisher (22:47):
Yeah.
Mauro Fiore (22:48):
You're a show pony. You're not a writer, you're a show pony.
Sevy Fisher (22:49):
Yeah. I feel useless unless-
Bob Simon (22:54):
A lot of lawyers, trial lawyers got that skill to talk to human beings outside of law school and other places. Where did your skill come from being a human being and talking to folks?
Sevy Fisher (23:04):
Well I mean, I feel like certain things you're born with, so to a certain extent that. I just always remember being an outgoing kid. And then at an early age, my grandfather owned a dealership, a car dealership so I sold cars. You weren't supposed to sell it until 18, but if you were a family member you could kind of do it off the books under the table. And so, I remember selling cars. I think I did it part-time during the summers at 16 years old is when I started. And then, yeah, my whole family's in the car business still. My dad retired from the car business recently.
Mauro Fiore (23:43):
Well I would say, I think probably knowing lots of trial lawyers over the years, I think probably the most successful ones or the ones that are really good at it are people that I've noticed that are interested in people. I have an interest in people, I like to hear people's stories, I like to hear where they're from. I could go to talk to anybody and I could figure out what they're into and stuff, but I'm genuinely interested. You're interested in other people's stories because you like to tell stories. I love to tell stories, as everyone knows, but I like to hear stories too. And I think that helps a lot with being a trial lawyer.
Sevy Fisher (24:20):
Well, and you have to be likable. To know me as to love me, kind of thing. If I didn't know you and I just saw you, and I'm in jury duty and I see you come up and start talking to me and a bunch of jurors, and same with you, Bob. You just start talking, or you tell a funny joke or something. I know they can't be as inappropriate when you're acting as a lawyer in the courtroom-
Bob Simon (24:43):
He still does it.
Sevy Fisher (24:43):
... but I can feel that, you know what I mean? I can feel that you're a good person, I can feel that you genuinely care. And I think the hardest part about that is taking a bunch of what I feel as alpha males or females, and getting in touch with your vulnerable side. And that's why I think females can be better trial lawyers than males in that situation is because I think they're more comfortable being in touch with their vulnerable sides.
Bob Simon (25:09):
So, what do you think is your biggest vulnerability? What is the thing that scares you or the thing that keeps you up at night?
Sevy Fisher (25:20):
I mean, losing. I hate losing, but I think the hardest thing, especially as becoming a new trial lawyer, I think the vulnerability. And we're raised, especially as men, we're raised that everything should be swept under the carpet. We shouldn't cry, we shouldn't get emotional. And then all of a sudden I've got to tell a client's story where the only way I can do that effectively and put myself in their shoes, and be their voice is to get in touch with that emotional side. That was the hardest part. That was, I think the hardest part for me in starting to be a trial lawyer, is getting in touch with that emotional side, because I've always been the type that just forget about it, remove yourself from the situation-
Bob Simon (25:58):
Do you think after having kids helped you?
Sevy Fisher (26:00):
100%. Absolutely. I once had a law school professor that said, "Look, make every case personal. Personalize it." I had a wrongful death case I tried in Long Beach, I just put myself in the parents' shoes. Like it was my kid that got hit and died. It's very easy to do when you have kids. I feel like it's way easier to do. I mean, I've cried more since I've had kids than I have in my entire life before that.
Mauro Fiore (26:24):
Yeah, me too.
Sevy Fisher (26:25):
I mean, I watch a stupid-
Bob Simon (26:29):
Commercial. Commercials crack me.
Sevy Fisher (26:30):
... I watch a chick flick now and I'm fine. I'm like, "What the fuck is going on?"
Bob Simon (26:36):
Stop feeling.
Sevy Fisher (26:37):
Yeah. But it's a good thing. It's a good thing, because I feel like society makes it almost like a bad thing to be an emotional male. And I think in our job, I think that's terrible.
Bob Simon (26:55):
Well, we're going to get a little more emotional because we're going to pour another bottle of whiskey. So, Sevy's a big fan of the Blanton's, always has a lot of stash at his house up on the Peninsula. So, I brought you one that I don't think you've ever had before, and I drank a lot of this earlier-
Sevy Fisher (27:12):
I have not.
Bob Simon (27:12):
... so this is the Takara edition. This is the Blanton's that they make in Japanese. It's all written in Japanese, you see?
Sevy Fisher (27:21):
Yeah. This bourbon was dumped on-
Bob Simon (27:25):
Yep, there you go. See, he can actually read Japanese. Did you not know that about Sevy?
Mauro Fiore (27:28):
You can read Japanese?
Sevy Fisher (27:30):
Mm-hmm. It's not always perfect, but it's kind of ...
Bob Simon (27:34):
This is a 93 proof, it is absolutely delicious. And we sampled this before we came here-
Mauro Fiore (27:39):
Looks like you drank half the bottle.
Bob Simon (27:41):
More than half. It's okay. We had to get ready for today's show. We had to get motivated. The good thing about having this show is you can write off-
Sevy Fisher (27:49):
[inaudible 00:27:50]
Bob Simon (27:49):
Yeah, you can write off your booze.
Mauro Fiore (27:51):
All your booze.
Sevy Fisher (27:54):
Cheers.
Mauro Fiore (27:54):
Cheers, brother.
Bob Simon (27:56):
I gave Mauro a light pour because I want to drink more.
Mauro Fiore (28:00):
That's very nice.
Bob Simon (28:07):
All different tastes.
Sevy Fisher (28:11):
Oh, that's good.
Bob Simon (28:11):
It is good. I knew you'd like that palette.
Sevy Fisher (28:14):
That's really good.
Bob Simon (28:17):
He's going to take a look at this bottle. So Sev, if you had to do it all over again is there anything else you would change?
Sevy Fisher (28:26):
About?
Bob Simon (28:27):
Your life, your story, where you are.
Sevy Fisher (28:29):
Not a thing.
Bob Simon (28:30):
I think that's a perfect answer. Don't fuck with the continuum. I tell you this all the time, Mauro.
Sevy Fisher (28:34):
Yeah, not a thing. I mean, I made some mistakes in the past that I don't regret, but I would do those over again. But they make you who you are, so whatever.
Bob Simon (28:44):
What do you think has been the most challenging case that you have worked on?
Sevy Fisher (28:53):
The most challenging?
Bob Simon (28:54):
Yeah. It could be for emotional, it could be for just roadblocks or evidence wise was a very difficult case. It could be the longest case you've worked on, anything like that.
Sevy Fisher (29:07):
The most challenging case that actually went to trial?
Bob Simon (29:10):
It could have went to trial, went to appeal. I mean, any of those things that you've ... Just ones that were emotional for you, that took a long time and energy.
Sevy Fisher (29:20):
Gosh, I would say the losses stick out, I think. I had a lady in Santa Barbara, Camille Carter, that we lost her case. It was a Hail Mary case anyway, but we lost that. So, I think that's hard, just for her, because I liked her so much. She kind of reminded me of my grandma. Wrongful death, I've tried one wrongful death in my career and that one was very difficult. Our client couldn't even testify for longer than a minute without the jury having to take a break every ... Because she just lost her mind. And her son, they had it on video of him getting hit by a drunk driver in front of a motel.
Bob Simon (30:06):
It was a hard liability case too, for a lot of reasons.
Sevy Fisher (30:08):
Yeah, so that's hard.
Bob Simon (30:11):
How about your biggest success? What was the one that you had tried and ...
Sevy Fisher (30:15):
That's a good question. I would say that was a case in Orange County. It was a disputed liability, hip labor and repair. And this case is important, I would say it's important for many reasons. One, it was a hip labor and repair that we ended up getting a two and a half million dollar verdict on-
Bob Simon (30:36):
I mean, shit, I've had that surgery-
Sevy Fisher (30:38):
... zero economic costs. Second, the reason why I think that was important is that was the first time in my career, and keep in mind that I'm already in ABOTA at this point. But that was the first, and I don't think I've ever told anybody this, but that was the first time in my career that I felt like I'm a real lawyer. And that's because I took that case head on, I was lead trial counsel for it. And after that case, it created a lot of confidence in me.
Bob Simon (31:12):
And how long into your career or trials were you at that point?
Sevy Fisher (31:17):
Well, that was the first case our firm had tried out of COVID. So, that was in August of 2021, September 2021. And I've been a lawyer since November 2013. So, seven, eight years? Yeah. And I had been in ABOTA, I got inducted into ABOTA two years prior to that, but that was the first time where I ever really ... Defense was offering us 150 grand. I think our 998 was 250 grand. So, we were a 100 grand off, and then we go to trial and zero economics. I had a horrible judge, and we hit it for $2.5 million. And after that, I mean, I jumped in a pool with my suit on after I heard the verdict. That's when I really was like, "You know what?" I could look myself in the mirror and say, "You're a good lawyer. You don't need anybody else to be a good lawyer, you are a good lawyer."
Bob Simon (32:15):
Why be so hard on yourself?
Sevy Fisher (32:17):
I don't know. I've always felt like when trying a case with you or another lawyer in our firm who I tried a case with, even if I did a substantial part of the work or did half the duties or whatever, I always just felt like was that really because of me 100%? And so, this-
Bob Simon (32:35):
Sounds like you had imposter syndrome.
Mauro Fiore (32:37):
You had imposter syndrome.
Bob Simon (32:39):
We're on the same wavelength.
Mauro Fiore (32:39):
Yeah, I was going to say imposter syndrome. I've had that my whole career.
Sevy Fisher (32:42):
Yeah. And it wasn't until I did this case that I felt that way. And you're always going to do ... You're doing something as a team. You're like, "Could I do this by myself?" And I didn't do it by myself per se, I had a team of people helping me out. But yeah, it was the first time I was like, "All right, you can do this."
Bob Simon (33:08):
So, I want to just switch gears a little bit. I want you to just pull up your sleeve and tell me about your tattoo, and why it's important to you.
Sevy Fisher (33:17):
Which one?
Bob Simon (33:18):
You know which one.
Mauro Fiore (33:19):
Be a warrior like Weston.
Bob Simon (33:21):
Yep.
Sevy Fisher (33:22):
Oh, that one. All right. Well, I don't know if I can pull it up.
Mauro Fiore (33:23):
I can see it from here.
Bob Simon (33:26):
Take your shirt off for the camera, Sevy. Do a little dance-
Mauro Fiore (33:28):
Uncloak.
Sevy Fisher (33:28):
Hang tight, hang tight. All right.
Bob Simon (33:31):
We're just filming Magic Mike 6. What number are we on for Magic Mike?
Sevy Fisher (33:37):
Right there?
Bob Simon (33:37):
Yeah.
Sevy Fisher (33:40):
So, that is the emblem for a cousin of mine, her name's Erica, and her husband, Todd Robertson, lost their son, who was I think, gosh, what was he? Five, four? Four at the time? To leukemia. Thank you, I was looking for that. They were, at the time the father, his name's Todd, he does builds houses but he was a solo guy. It was just him, no employees, no partners, nothing. And this was all during COVID. And they had to go to Primary Children's Hospital in Salt Lake City, Utah, which is one of the best cancer hospitals in the world, and be with him. And people think, "Oh, well you go through radiation," they think it's just like this outpatient type thing.
(34:36):
It's not. You go there, you have to do bone marrow transplants. You're literally in the hospital for a year at a time. And then after a bone marrow transplant, they have to have everything super sanitary, and especially during COVID. So, then after that they go to this place that's called the Ronald McDonald House. They have to stay in this special apartment complex, completely sanitary, deliver groceries to the front of your entrance. You have to come out, sanitize all the groceries before you even bring them in. You're talking bananas, apples, whatever it is. So, during that time you'd think parents want to be with their kids while they're going through all this shit.
(35:15):
And if you're self-employed or your business, and your income, and your financial just responsibilities depend on you working and you can't work, who's going to pay those bills? Medical insurance doesn't do that. So I was thinking to myself, I was like, "What can I do?" I didn't necessarily have the means to just pay for somebody to supplement someone's income. So I went to Facebook and I went to social media, and I started this just sort of GoFundMe-esque type thing. It was more so a Venmo Me type of thing, and just put their story out there.
(35:51):
And within seven days, just shows you the people that we know and our network, just all of our friends of attorneys, and just the great support system we have, within a matter of I think it was seven to 10 days, we raised $45,000. And I was like, "This is pretty incredible." So, that was during his treatment. Then he passes away. And after that I was like, "Well," I thought to myself, I was like, "If we can do this in seven to 10 days, imagine what we can do for the rest of our lives." So, I started a charity and I paid a lawyer within JHQ to start a charity for our ... It's a business, so I don't know how to do that shit. So, just give me this information. And I started the Weston Wanes Warriors Foundation, and now we do golf tournament, we do a lot.
(36:44):
And so, now we're literally referral based so people will hear about us and they'll call me and say, "Hey, there's this kid in my son's class that's struggling with leukemia, his parents are struggling. They need meals while they're at the hospital." And I'll send them a check for 10 grand from our charity because we're able to do that. So, it's just a cool thing to be a part of, and if
Mauro Fiore (37:08):
That's amazing.
Sevy Fisher (37:08):
Yeah. Look, if you've had any level of success, or even if you haven't, if you have the ability to do something like that, why aren't you doing it? So that's how I felt, and that's what I did.
Bob Simon (37:27):
Hey, to Weston.
Sevy Fisher (37:28):
Yep.
Mauro Fiore (37:28):
To Weston.
Sevy Fisher (37:28):
Thank you.
Mauro Fiore (37:29):
I know, I think I bought a raffle ticket for your Mustang.
Sevy Fisher (37:36):
Both of you hosts here are big supporters, and I thank you guys for that.
Mauro Fiore (37:40):
I wanted to win the Mustang too.
Sevy Fisher (37:43):
You'll have another chance, it's being re-auctioned.
Mauro Fiore (37:46):
The lady who won, what's her name? She's going to re-auction it?
Sevy Fisher (37:48):
Tracy Cass.
Mauro Fiore (37:49):
She's going to re-auction it off?
Sevy Fisher (37:50):
She's donating it back to our charity, Tracy Cass and Steven Glub, also great supporters of the charity.
Bob Simon (37:57):
So, they're doing a Law-Di-Gras this year, they're going to auction off the Mustang again. You have your chance Mauro, to win back the Mustang.
Sevy Fisher (38:05):
You do. You might even be able to get it for cheaper this year.
Mauro Fiore (38:07):
Okay.
Sevy Fisher (38:08):
We're giving a discount.
Mauro Fiore (38:11):
I'm in. Speaking of watching you put on that sport coat, I still have your old sport coat that I've had ... It's been sitting in my office for years. I should have brought it to you today.
Sevy Fisher (38:23):
It's a memento.
Mauro Fiore (38:24):
It's been sitting in my office for years.
Bob Simon (38:26):
Sevy's that guy that he leaves stuff-
Mauro Fiore (38:27):
He left it in my car, I don't know, five years ago?
Bob Simon (38:29):
... in your house just to give an excuse to come back to your house.
Mauro Fiore (38:31):
He left it in my car five years ago, and I've had it in my office-
Sevy Fisher (38:33):
We were in Manhattan Beach.
Mauro Fiore (38:33):
Five years.
Bob Simon (38:33):
Oh yeah, that's when that happened?
Sevy Fisher (38:33):
Yes.
Mauro Fiore (38:33):
Still have it.
Bob Simon (38:37):
Oh my God.
Sevy Fisher (38:39):
I left it in his car.
Bob Simon (38:39):
You guys should have been dead that night.
Mauro Fiore (38:40):
Maybe. That was not a smart night.
Sevy Fisher (38:43):
That shouldn't be on film.
Mauro Fiore (38:43):
No. But yeah, it was crazy. But I still have it. One of these days I will get it back to you. It's like a brown tweed, like a Sherlock.-
Sevy Fisher (38:51):
I like it.
Mauro Fiore (38:51):
... it's a Sherlock Holmes jacket.
Sevy Fisher (38:53):
I like it a lot. It's like a thick-
Bob Simon (38:55):
The only tweed that Mauro knows other than that is Shannon Tweed.
Mauro Fiore (38:59):
She was hot.
Sevy Fisher (39:00):
Who is Shannon Tweed?
Mauro Fiore (39:01):
Old model from the '80s.
Bob Simon (39:03):
She married one of the KISS guys.
Sevy Fisher (39:05):
Was she on the Sober House?
Mauro Fiore (39:07):
I don't know.
Sevy Fisher (39:07):
Did she have an addiction problem?
Mauro Fiore (39:09):
Probably.
Sevy Fisher (39:10):
I think she did. I don't know. I used to have this thing for watching Dr. Drew series.
Mauro Fiore (39:16):
I've never watched that.
Sevy Fisher (39:18):
The Sober House. Dennis Rodman was in there. I was a big Dennis Rodman fan.
Mauro Fiore (39:23):
I hung out with him one night back when he was-
Bob Simon (39:25):
Why'd you hang out with Dennis Rodman?
Sevy Fisher (39:25):
I'm a Dennis Rodman fan back when he was with the Bulls, not necessarily now.
Mauro Fiore (39:29):
You know Avi from Newport Beach?
Bob Simon (39:32):
Avi.
Mauro Fiore (39:32):
Avi, the Avi?
Bob Simon (39:33):
Yeah, the Avi.
Mauro Fiore (39:35):
Avi's from Newport, and Dennis used to live in Newport. And one time Avi said, "Hey, we're going to go out in Hollywood tonight, whenever you want to come." I said, "Yeah." And I was single. It's a long time ago. Avi said, "I'll pick you up." So, he came to my house in a limo, said, "We're outside." I get in the limo and Dennis Rodman's in there with him. I'm just like, "What are you doing in here?" And it turns out he's like Avi's best friend, because Avi's lives down there in Newport. And we hung out with Dennis Rodman, and it was exactly what you would expect to hang out with Dennis Rodman. He was fucking crazy.
Sevy Fisher (40:04):
He wants free drinks. I hear he's broke or something.
Mauro Fiore (40:07):
Oh, this was like 20, 15 years ago. But he was nuts, man. But I had a good time but he was nuts.
Bob Simon (40:13):
Was he married to himself at the time?
Mauro Fiore (40:15):
No, I think-
Bob Simon (40:15):
Did he marry himself?
Sevy Fisher (40:16):
Yeah
Mauro Fiore (40:16):
I want to say he was wearing women's clothing too. He was dressed awfully strange.
Sevy Fisher (40:22):
Yeah, he married himself, and had a wedding dress for himself and everything.
Bob Simon (40:26):
Didn't he solve the Korean conflict? Did he do that?
Sevy Fisher (40:29):
Yeah. With Kim Jong Un or Kim Jong-il?
Bob Simon (40:32):
Maybe il.
Mauro Fiore (40:32):
Yeah, he was a Big Bulls fan, I guess.
Bob Simon (40:37):
What?
Mauro Fiore (40:37):
The president of North Korea was a Bulls-
Bob Simon (40:39):
But I'm pretty sure North Korea beat the Bulls every single year in the championship. After the championship they were undefeated.
Mauro Fiore (40:45):
Yeah, I remember that. But yeah, so I hung out with Dennis Rodman one year and it was-
Bob Simon (40:49):
That's probably going to get me killed.
Sevy Fisher (40:50):
Mm-hmm, probably.
Mauro Fiore (40:53):
What was that movie that they couldn't put out because they made fun of North Korea? The Interview?
Bob Simon (40:57):
Yes.
Mauro Fiore (40:58):
You ever see it? It was actually a good movie.
Bob Simon (41:00):
I've never seen it.
Mauro Fiore (41:01):
It was good.
Sevy Fisher (41:01):
I don't know.
Bob Simon (41:02):
I was more a fan of, what's the one they did with puppets? The guys that did South Park.
Sevy Fisher (41:08):
Oh.
Mauro Fiore (41:08):
Sausage Party.
Bob Simon (41:09):
Not Sausage Party. What?
Sevy Fisher (41:10):
Something America.
Mauro Fiore (41:10):
Didn't you ever see Sausage Party?
Bob Simon (41:11):
Yeah, Team America: World Police.
Sevy Fisher (41:13):
Yes, Team America.
Mauro Fiore (41:14):
Did you ever see Sausage Party with Seth Rogen?
Bob Simon (41:15):
It sounds like some NC ... Oh no, it was called something else.
Mauro Fiore (41:18):
It's called Sausage Party. It was a great movie, it was with Seth Rogen.
Bob Simon (41:22):
What did it have to do with Kim Jong-il?
Mauro Fiore (41:22):
I don't know, you were saying about a puppet, because it was like puppets.
Bob Simon (41:22):
It's puppets. Kim Jong-il, this is Team: World Police.
Sevy Fisher (41:23):
Did you say Kim Young-il?
Bob Simon (41:24):
What are you saying? Kim Jong-il?
Mauro Fiore (41:31):
Some young mule?
Bob Simon (41:32):
Some young mule. No, you guys are idiots.
Sevy Fisher (41:38):
Bob's the best at pronouncing names, he's so funny.
Mauro Fiore (41:41):
Oh yeah, he's the worst.
Bob Simon (41:43):
That's the dad in me. My dad, he can't pronounce the word-
Sevy Fisher (41:45):
I know, 100%.
Bob Simon (41:47):
I can't even say it, because I have to say it in his words, he can't say the word gerbil.
Sevy Fisher (41:54):
Gerble.
Bob Simon (41:54):
He calls it a gerble, and he can't-
Sevy Fisher (41:54):
Calls gerbil a gerble.
Bob Simon (41:54):
Just call him on the phone ask him to say ... Spell the word, ask him to say it.
Mauro Fiore (41:57):
I have an interesting Sevy story.
Bob Simon (41:59):
Here we go.
Mauro Fiore (41:59):
So let's say this was-
Bob Simon (42:02):
We're going to close on the stories.
Mauro Fiore (42:03):
... maybe about a year and a half ago or so. This was on a Sunday night, late, like 9:00 at night so not early-
Bob Simon (42:11):
Oh, that's late for us, by the way.
Mauro Fiore (42:12):
Yeah, for me, literally I'm already in the sack. I mean, I go to bed at 8:00. Bob has the greatest quote of all time. What's there to do after 8:00. Nothing. I go to bed early and I wake up at 5:00. But I get a call from Sevy like 9:00 at night. I was like, "What in the hell does this guy want from me at 9:00 night?" Especially he's calling me, he's not texting me. So I answer the phone, he says, "Hey, do you want to go on a private jet tomorrow morning from Van Nuys Airport at 8:00 AM to go play golf in Monterey?" I'm like, "Tomorrow morning in a few hours?"
Sevy Fisher (42:49):
This is true.
Mauro Fiore (42:50):
And he's like, "Yeah, tomorrow morning. You got to be at Van Airport at at 7:30 in the morning." I was like, "Let me think about it. Okay." So, I hung up. I told my wife, I said, "Hey, I'm flying with Sevy on a private jet to play golf in Monterey tomorrow."
Sevy Fisher (43:04):
This is so true.
Mauro Fiore (43:05):
And she's like, "You're full of shit." I was like, "He just called me."
Sevy Fisher (43:08):
I forgot about this.
Mauro Fiore (43:11):
"I swear he called me and he said we're leaving at 7:00 in the morning." I don't know how many people he asked before he got to me on the Rolodex or whatever. You don't look the gift horse in the mouth. I don't know how I ended up getting the invite, but I got the invite. I showed up at the airport 7:30 in the morning, and son of a bitch has a jet. No propellers.
Sevy Fisher (43:30):
It was a fucking jet.
Mauro Fiore (43:30):
No propeller. Son of a bitch had a jet, a jet plane. And I get in the plane and they're already fucked up. They're passing around a bottle of whiskey like 8:00 in the morning. I was like, "Oh my God." So then we flew to San Luis Obispo, we pick up-
Sevy Fisher (43:48):
The Mays.
Mauro Fiore (43:48):
... the May brothers, and those guys can't even see they're so fucked up already at 10:00 in the morning. This is before we even get to the golf course.
Bob Simon (43:55):
We got to get the Mays on the show.
Mauro Fiore (43:56):
Before we get to the golf course everybody's blasted, and we go to Pasatiempo, one of the greatest courses in the country. But I wish I remembered more of it, because-
Sevy Fisher (44:05):
The same person who designed Augusta National for the Masters designed this golf course, and it's in California.
Mauro Fiore (44:13):
And the back nine at Pasatiempo is similar to the back nine at Augusta National.
Sevy Fisher (44:17):
It's beautiful.
Mauro Fiore (44:18):
But I think me and Sevy, we didn't play our best golf that day.
Sevy Fisher (44:21):
We did not.
Mauro Fiore (44:21):
We were fucked up, everyone was drunk. After that then we kept drinking. Somehow we made it back to the plane. I don't know how. There's a video of me, I think on the flight back, I was just asleep, passed out.
Bob Simon (44:34):
Wow. Wait, what? There's a video of you passed out?
Sevy Fisher (44:37):
Surprise, surprise. No, I remember asking the person who booked the tee times, I said, "We got two foursomes." He's like, "There's only seven of us." I was like, "That doesn't make any sense." He's like, "Do you know anyone that will go tomorrow morning." And I go, "I know just the guy."
Mauro Fiore (44:53):
Just the guy.
Sevy Fisher (44:55):
"I know just the guy." So, I call up Mauro and I ... Yeah, just like he said, and sure enough-
Mauro Fiore (45:00):
Shit, I was at the airport-
Sevy Fisher (45:00):
... he was in.
Mauro Fiore (45:01):
... six hours later.
Bob Simon (45:01):
Did you trip over any German Shepherds on your way?
Mauro Fiore (45:03):
No, but that was a fun day. And that was the first time I ever met Rob May and-
Sevy Fisher (45:09):
Garrett.
Mauro Fiore (45:09):
His brothers, Garrett, and great guys.
Sevy Fisher (45:11):
Yeah, Cameron.
Mauro Fiore (45:11):
And now Rob's a good friend of mine now. And it was amazing, I never met those guys before. It was the first time-
Bob Simon (45:17):
Rob's going to be in Ibiza with us very soon.
Sevy Fisher (45:18):
Yeah, I know. I'm jealous.
Mauro Fiore (45:20):
Yeah, so that's an interesting story. That was fun.
Sevy Fisher (45:23):
Yeah, I forgot all about that.
Mauro Fiore (45:25):
Whose plane was that?
Bob Simon (45:27):
Don't worry. Nunya. None of your business.
Mauro Fiore (45:29):
Let's not talk about that. It was a nice plane. Only one pilot.
Bob Simon (45:34):
Tax consequences.
Mauro Fiore (45:34):
Only one pilot though, so I was a little bit sketchy on that.
Sevy Fisher (45:37):
But you know how to fly a plane.
Mauro Fiore (45:39):
Yeah, I could have taken the wheel if I had to.
Bob Simon (45:40):
Come on. If we're on a plane and you have to fly it, I'm not getting on the fucking plane.
Mauro Fiore (45:45):
Well, I saw this thing on Instagram the other day about Spirit Airlines. They're like, "Does anyone know how to fly a plane? We don't have a pilot." They're doing it like a fake announcement on Spirit Airlines.
Sevy Fisher (45:56):
Did you see the guy taking off in the twister?
Mauro Fiore (45:58):
"Can anyone fly this plane?"
Sevy Fisher (46:00):
Did you see the guy taking off in the twister?
Mauro Fiore (46:02):
No.
Sevy Fisher (46:02):
They're like, "Everybody stop what you're doing. Quit taking off." He's like, 'Sir, where are you going?" He goes, "Las Vegas." "There's a tornado." "We're already in the air." Just stupid stuff.
Bob Simon (46:16):
Yeah. I'm not getting on a plan with you. You crooks. All right, so Sevy reached that point of Bourbon of Proof where you have to tell us what is your Bourbon of Proof? What was the one that stuck out to you? Why?
Sevy Fisher (46:27):
Oh, man. That's tough.
Bob Simon (46:35):
Is that a thimble?
Mauro Fiore (46:36):
It's a tin cup. Get with the program.
Sevy Fisher (46:40):
I mean-
Bob Simon (46:40):
I was always the iron in Monopoly.
Sevy Fisher (46:42):
... I'm kind of going to steal this from another guest you had. But I like the Tin , because I think it's amazing. And I love the symbolism to the golf world, and the golf movie. I think the Blanton's probably tasted the best, but it's probably the most expensive. And I like the double rye, because it's just a solid everyday pour for a reasonable price that can match up against even a $200 bottle.
Mauro Fiore (47:12):
That's true.
Sevy Fisher (47:13):
So, I like all three.
Bob Simon (47:14):
It's a typical lawyer answer. Doesn't commit to one, but embraces-
Sevy Fisher (47:17):
It depends. It's one of those diaper answers, it depends.
Bob Simon (47:20):
With that, thank you for coming into this episode of Bourbon of Proof-
Sevy Fisher (47:22):
Thanks for having me, guys.
Bob Simon (47:23):
Sevy Willard Fisher-
Sevy Fisher (47:24):
Thanks for having me.
Bob Simon (47:24):
Always a pleasure.
Mauro Fiore (47:25):
Always a pleasure.
Bob Simon (47:26):
Mauro, we took a bonus pour. Go fuck yourself.
